Tragedy at Cathay Pacific: When toxic culture claims lives of 2 pilots
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VOCH..you appear to use corporate insouciance as a way to mitigate and through the cracks of your missive, appease the management culture of an organisation that has now shown its true colours. Airlines were never "up there" with the suicide highs..( such as ATC, dentists and oddly enough, the legal profession )..but now, they are.
The impact of psycho neurotic incidents such as Eurowings and Egypt Air et al make massive headline and often mask the true narrative behind the context. CX have, since 1992, changed shape significantly. If they were a practice of surgeons then the metaphor would be the current use of sabres instead of scalpels. If you travel CX, long or short haul, one aspect that prevails in the cabin and via the Capt PA, is the ring of a pernicious Company where even a Captain's name is a reluctant broadcast.
The CC wear masks and PPE gloves, have zero empathy, little kindness or interest and no concern vv pax welfare..NONE.
This was never the previous iteration of a once great firm. It's ENTIRELY down to the toxicity of a mid and senior management system that has lost so much contact with reality that some of us inside that coal face, feel handling the pride that once went with the profession..to be well..unaccountable to the point of depression. As sad and tragic as that is VOCH, please see this as a developing disease that a tepid corporate culture has created..maybe if you yourself are a manager, you should take a long hard look in the still of a reflective stream and ask yourself the very same question.
The impact of psycho neurotic incidents such as Eurowings and Egypt Air et al make massive headline and often mask the true narrative behind the context. CX have, since 1992, changed shape significantly. If they were a practice of surgeons then the metaphor would be the current use of sabres instead of scalpels. If you travel CX, long or short haul, one aspect that prevails in the cabin and via the Capt PA, is the ring of a pernicious Company where even a Captain's name is a reluctant broadcast.
The CC wear masks and PPE gloves, have zero empathy, little kindness or interest and no concern vv pax welfare..NONE.
This was never the previous iteration of a once great firm. It's ENTIRELY down to the toxicity of a mid and senior management system that has lost so much contact with reality that some of us inside that coal face, feel handling the pride that once went with the profession..to be well..unaccountable to the point of depression. As sad and tragic as that is VOCH, please see this as a developing disease that a tepid corporate culture has created..maybe if you yourself are a manager, you should take a long hard look in the still of a reflective stream and ask yourself the very same question.
'Tiger pork" As your thoughtful email was addressed at my contribution I am pleased to answer.
The total number of pilot suicides worldwide and as they directly relate to their employer are well documented for at least the last 20 years.
I do travel frequently and yes once in a while the CC are not as good as they should be but it has ever been thus over the 45 years that I have travelled with CX and others. Recently I had a serious opp on my back and temporarily need a to use a single stick -the CC have been unfailingly kind as have the ground staff and I infacility disagree your above statement "have zero empathy, little kindness or interest and no concern vv pax welfare..NONE.'' ......which is just simply and totally untrue.
CX aircraft are full and there is plenty of competition...and they are not as cheap as the competition yet pax come back to Cathay time after time. This for the very simple reason that CX delivers a great experience for pax which as a result they keep coming back and back again.
As regards corporate culture I would say with some confidence that Swire group are well up the corporate culture enlightened thinking scale and have been for many years.
As a generalisation of current corporate culture your comments possibly carry some weight however as they pertain to Cathay they do not and frankly you come across to me as yet another CX hater with an axe to grind re unrelated historical issues with the airlines management - of which BTW I am not one.
The total number of pilot suicides worldwide and as they directly relate to their employer are well documented for at least the last 20 years.
I do travel frequently and yes once in a while the CC are not as good as they should be but it has ever been thus over the 45 years that I have travelled with CX and others. Recently I had a serious opp on my back and temporarily need a to use a single stick -the CC have been unfailingly kind as have the ground staff and I infacility disagree your above statement "have zero empathy, little kindness or interest and no concern vv pax welfare..NONE.'' ......which is just simply and totally untrue.
CX aircraft are full and there is plenty of competition...and they are not as cheap as the competition yet pax come back to Cathay time after time. This for the very simple reason that CX delivers a great experience for pax which as a result they keep coming back and back again.
As regards corporate culture I would say with some confidence that Swire group are well up the corporate culture enlightened thinking scale and have been for many years.
As a generalisation of current corporate culture your comments possibly carry some weight however as they pertain to Cathay they do not and frankly you come across to me as yet another CX hater with an axe to grind re unrelated historical issues with the airlines management - of which BTW I am not one.
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VOCH..well, I think we have to agree to disagree then.
I would submit that if your injuries are blatant and in need of assistance, then any legacy carrier would be duty bound to provide help. However, as a collective matter, my experience from a general perspective, is that of little concern by the CC for pax, both in EY and pseudo biz/biz. CX CC provide the bare minimum of service demanded by the Regulator and indeed, are probably more than well versed in their safety duties, ( though the recent ish 777 abort is a testament otherwise..).
The travel volumes on the Europe to HKG route are very high post covid. I could pop a DC3 on that gig and fill it. The massive decant into China and the seamless provisions given by CX, HE etc is a great benefit to the flying public in that respect and it is nominally that, driving the choice in chosing CX over say BA or KLM for instance. As for the management at CX and at higher levels in the Swire cabal, I have to bring the corporate barometer you use to task. If you believe that there has been NO shift in good governance towards bad, since the late 90's then you have been living in some sort of pertinacious bubble. The real world that has seen a large percentage of the CX pilots walk, early retire and even retrain in other professions has been substantial, though I will concede that covid has been a pernicious partner for us all. That CX has survived is not..NOT due to good governance but more towards the support given by our own HKG Govt.
I am not as you say, " a typical CX basher"..far from it. I would dearly love to see the Company I built..yes..I BUILT succeed but on the back of FairPlay, proper pilot playing fields and sound, solid empathy. Currently, the leadership has much to be desired in not being a meritocracy..not being driven by the fields defined by good diligence and not soliciting the good will of its front line crews..that is evident by the large % of leavers since mid covid. When that changes and expat pilots return to fly the Swire flag again then maybe you might buy either a new barometer or take a look outside that bubble.
I would submit that if your injuries are blatant and in need of assistance, then any legacy carrier would be duty bound to provide help. However, as a collective matter, my experience from a general perspective, is that of little concern by the CC for pax, both in EY and pseudo biz/biz. CX CC provide the bare minimum of service demanded by the Regulator and indeed, are probably more than well versed in their safety duties, ( though the recent ish 777 abort is a testament otherwise..).
The travel volumes on the Europe to HKG route are very high post covid. I could pop a DC3 on that gig and fill it. The massive decant into China and the seamless provisions given by CX, HE etc is a great benefit to the flying public in that respect and it is nominally that, driving the choice in chosing CX over say BA or KLM for instance. As for the management at CX and at higher levels in the Swire cabal, I have to bring the corporate barometer you use to task. If you believe that there has been NO shift in good governance towards bad, since the late 90's then you have been living in some sort of pertinacious bubble. The real world that has seen a large percentage of the CX pilots walk, early retire and even retrain in other professions has been substantial, though I will concede that covid has been a pernicious partner for us all. That CX has survived is not..NOT due to good governance but more towards the support given by our own HKG Govt.
I am not as you say, " a typical CX basher"..far from it. I would dearly love to see the Company I built..yes..I BUILT succeed but on the back of FairPlay, proper pilot playing fields and sound, solid empathy. Currently, the leadership has much to be desired in not being a meritocracy..not being driven by the fields defined by good diligence and not soliciting the good will of its front line crews..that is evident by the large % of leavers since mid covid. When that changes and expat pilots return to fly the Swire flag again then maybe you might buy either a new barometer or take a look outside that bubble.
Well ,that we agree to disagree to a significant degree is undeniably correct however it is I believe undeniable that we are both concerned. re governance and direction
The bobble that you just invented in order to package your deluded view of the airline industry as a business in 2023 is of course a fiction - an unachievable wish list if you like. I rather wish in some ways that it was not the the case however the goalposts of the industry as a whole moved. significantly a few years back and the reality of this is perhaps not palatable to you hence your bubble- not mine.
The governance of Swire and Cathay is I believe both strong and appropriate to the world and the airline industry as it now is . Not as it used to be as much as both you and perhaps I may wish that to be.
The bobble that you just invented in order to package your deluded view of the airline industry as a business in 2023 is of course a fiction - an unachievable wish list if you like. I rather wish in some ways that it was not the the case however the goalposts of the industry as a whole moved. significantly a few years back and the reality of this is perhaps not palatable to you hence your bubble- not mine.
The governance of Swire and Cathay is I believe both strong and appropriate to the world and the airline industry as it now is . Not as it used to be as much as both you and perhaps I may wish that to be.
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Sounds like those ignorants friends of my GF. "entire world is hiring pilots"
- Do you have the right to live and work in the "entire world"?
- Do you have qualifications and rank for those jobs?
- Is your family ready to follow you anywhere?
- If you even have a partner, will she/her be willing to move out?
Very vague and ignorant comment...
- Do you have the right to live and work in the "entire world"?
- Do you have qualifications and rank for those jobs?
- Is your family ready to follow you anywhere?
- If you even have a partner, will she/her be willing to move out?
Very vague and ignorant comment...
Pilot recruiting exploding. I was dumped from CX and ended up in my home town in a job paying more. Time for you to grow a pair...
