Tragedy at Cathay Pacific: When toxic culture claims lives of 2 pilots
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Tragedy at Cathay Pacific: When toxic culture claims lives of 2 pilots
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Tragedy at Cathay Pacific: When toxic culture claims lives of 2 pilots
Tragedy at Cathay Pacific: When toxic culture claims lives of 2 pilots
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Finally, it's getting public attention. Way overdue. But better late than never.
How long before this trend will cause another German Wings or Egypt Air tragedy? Its a matter of when not if with this trend.
How long before this trend will cause another German Wings or Egypt Air tragedy? Its a matter of when not if with this trend.
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Deserving of its own headline for awareness.
Tragedy at Cathay Pacific: When toxic culture claims lives of 2 pilots
Tragedy at Cathay Pacific: When toxic culture claims lives of 2 pilots
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C’mon guys, stop posting this. Let the man rest in peace. As for Cx , they see this as just a ern number to be replaced by another. Seriously, don’t any of you know who you’re working for?
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But apart from getting coverage, the company will most likely go into damage control, spin it, make it out like it’s not their fault and have complied with all regulatory requirements.
The CAD will say it’s an “internal company matter” and refuse to investigate and it will be forgotten.
But we can’t forget, we owe it to his wife and daughters that CX, and other companies should not put an employee in that position ever again. And policies/regulations need to be drafted to protect workers.
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Move on.
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- Do you have the right to live and work in the "entire world"?
- Do you have qualifications and rank for those jobs?
- Is your family ready to follow you anywhere?
- If you even have a partner, will she/her be willing to move out?
Very vague and ignorant comment...
These deaths are tragic but it is nothing short of monstrous for some here to attempt to use these terrible tragedies as a stick with which to beat their wholly unconnected employer that just happens to be an airline - with which some of you have unrelated historical issues .
The quoted story -
Not exactly a headline or even a reputable source
Dimsum daily being a paraphernal and rather obscure trash HK local social media platform that describes itself as "viral media platform which aims to bring fun news, entertainment to Hong Kongers.social media. Unsurprisingly this is the only source for this scurrilous nonsense.
The deaths to which you refer were over a year apart with the first tragedy, according to many media reports having had nothing what -so- ever to do with persons employment.He left a note citing his marriage breakup as the catalyst.
The second tragedy, a South African national who according to SA media reports had reported prior mental health issues going back some years when a freighter pilot with SAA.
As forBloomberg! dream on - Danny nor any reputable journalist would touch this c*rap with a barge pole
It is still sad though to read this vindictive rubbish on a pprune thread.
The quoted story -
Not exactly a headline or even a reputable source
Dimsum daily being a paraphernal and rather obscure trash HK local social media platform that describes itself as "viral media platform which aims to bring fun news, entertainment to Hong Kongers.social media. Unsurprisingly this is the only source for this scurrilous nonsense.
The deaths to which you refer were over a year apart with the first tragedy, according to many media reports having had nothing what -so- ever to do with persons employment.He left a note citing his marriage breakup as the catalyst.
The second tragedy, a South African national who according to SA media reports had reported prior mental health issues going back some years when a freighter pilot with SAA.
As forBloomberg! dream on - Danny nor any reputable journalist would touch this c*rap with a barge pole
It is still sad though to read this vindictive rubbish on a pprune thread.
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These deaths are tragic but it is nothing short of monstrous for some here to attempt to use these terrible tragedies as a stick with which to beat their wholly unconnected employer that just happens to be an airline - with which some of you have unrelated historical issues .
The quoted story -
Not exactly a headline or even a reputable source
Dimsum daily being a paraphernal and rather obscure trash HK local social media platform that describes itself as "viral media platform which aims to bring fun news, entertainment to Hong Kongers.social media. Unsurprisingly this is the only source for this scurrilous nonsense.
The deaths to which you refer were over a year apart with the first tragedy, according to many media reports having had nothing what -so- ever to do with persons employment.He left a note citing his marriage breakup as the catalyst.
The second tragedy, a South African national who according to SA media reports had reported prior mental health issues going back some years when a freighter pilot with SAA.
As forBloomberg! dream on - Danny nor any reputable journalist would touch this c*rap with a barge pole
It is still sad though to read this vindictive rubbish on a pprune thread.
The quoted story -
Not exactly a headline or even a reputable source
Dimsum daily being a paraphernal and rather obscure trash HK local social media platform that describes itself as "viral media platform which aims to bring fun news, entertainment to Hong Kongers.social media. Unsurprisingly this is the only source for this scurrilous nonsense.
The deaths to which you refer were over a year apart with the first tragedy, according to many media reports having had nothing what -so- ever to do with persons employment.He left a note citing his marriage breakup as the catalyst.
The second tragedy, a South African national who according to SA media reports had reported prior mental health issues going back some years when a freighter pilot with SAA.
As forBloomberg! dream on - Danny nor any reputable journalist would touch this c*rap with a barge pole
It is still sad though to read this vindictive rubbish on a pprune thread.
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Oh, you’re going to beat your drums? You’ll probably beat your chest too as well as other self floggings. Current Cx pilots are good at beating themselves, just not very good at actually DOING something.
By the way, congratulations are in order!! Another beating! The present group of Cx pilots have just beaten the previous record of the longest stretch of industrial harmony in pilot/management relationships in the past 25 years. There has never been a more peaceful period in the flight crew’s relationship with management than now. All the more remarkable given how many times you’ve been asked to bend over and hold your ankles. The most compliant group of pilots in the company’s history.
Not compliant in a contract compliance sense. The opposite actually. Willingly assisting management at every opportunity. Just this week with the passing typhoon, how many of you obediently followed management’s request to check and acknowledge your updated rosters from home thereby limiting the disruption to the operation? Alternatively, how many made the effort to ignore the OCN, go to work and then insist to operations you’d signed on and and have your duty time records reflect this? Let me guess. Not one of you put your money where your mouth is.
Management thanks you, whilst acknowledging you deserve not a thing more than their insincere thanks.
On the plus side, it would have freed up some time for more self beatings.
By the way, congratulations are in order!! Another beating! The present group of Cx pilots have just beaten the previous record of the longest stretch of industrial harmony in pilot/management relationships in the past 25 years. There has never been a more peaceful period in the flight crew’s relationship with management than now. All the more remarkable given how many times you’ve been asked to bend over and hold your ankles. The most compliant group of pilots in the company’s history.
Not compliant in a contract compliance sense. The opposite actually. Willingly assisting management at every opportunity. Just this week with the passing typhoon, how many of you obediently followed management’s request to check and acknowledge your updated rosters from home thereby limiting the disruption to the operation? Alternatively, how many made the effort to ignore the OCN, go to work and then insist to operations you’d signed on and and have your duty time records reflect this? Let me guess. Not one of you put your money where your mouth is.
Management thanks you, whilst acknowledging you deserve not a thing more than their insincere thanks.
On the plus side, it would have freed up some time for more self beatings.
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Oh, you’re going to beat your drums? You’ll probably beat your chest too as well as other self floggings. Current Cx pilots are good at beating themselves, just not very good at actually DOING something.
By the way, congratulations are in order!! Another beating! The present group of Cx pilots have just beaten the previous record of the longest stretch of industrial harmony in pilot/management relationships in the past 25 years. There has never been a more peaceful period in the flight crew’s relationship with management than now. All the more remarkable given how many times you’ve been asked to bend over and hold your ankles. The most compliant group of pilots in the company’s history.
Not compliant in a contract compliance sense. The opposite actually. Willingly assisting management at every opportunity. Just this week with the passing typhoon, how many of you obediently followed management’s request to check and acknowledge your updated rosters from home thereby limiting the disruption to the operation? Alternatively, how many made the effort to ignore the OCN, go to work and then insist to operations you’d signed on and and have your duty time records reflect this? Let me guess. Not one of you put your money where your mouth is.
Management thanks you, whilst acknowledging you deserve not a thing more than their insincere thanks.
On the plus side, it would have freed up some time for more self beatings.
By the way, congratulations are in order!! Another beating! The present group of Cx pilots have just beaten the previous record of the longest stretch of industrial harmony in pilot/management relationships in the past 25 years. There has never been a more peaceful period in the flight crew’s relationship with management than now. All the more remarkable given how many times you’ve been asked to bend over and hold your ankles. The most compliant group of pilots in the company’s history.
Not compliant in a contract compliance sense. The opposite actually. Willingly assisting management at every opportunity. Just this week with the passing typhoon, how many of you obediently followed management’s request to check and acknowledge your updated rosters from home thereby limiting the disruption to the operation? Alternatively, how many made the effort to ignore the OCN, go to work and then insist to operations you’d signed on and and have your duty time records reflect this? Let me guess. Not one of you put your money where your mouth is.
Management thanks you, whilst acknowledging you deserve not a thing more than their insincere thanks.
On the plus side, it would have freed up some time for more self beatings.
So how’s your Swire Prince Application going?
People like yourself and oldchinahand are exactly what Cathay deserves. No empathy towards anyone but the company. If you die tomorrow, how many Cathay Reps will attend your funeral? What about colleagues? You seem to be of a lone soul, unable to impress anyone unless you mention you’re a pilot, then you fizzle out in the background.
btw, I did put my money where my mouth is, but I feel for the people stuck in CX that can’t see a way out.
Enjoy your hard slog of 100 hrs per month, piss poor benefits, and the ever evolving “handbook” (which I’m sure you’ve framed). People like you will never be employed by another organisation and hence become stuck. Enjoy your life in CX, then become a sim instructor. But just remember the Swire Princes will always and forever be better than you in the company’s eyes.
Sounds like those ignorants friends of my GF. "entire world is hiring pilots"
- Do you have the right to live and work in the "entire world"?
- Do you have qualifications and rank for those jobs?
- Is your family ready to follow you anywhere?
- If you even have a partner, will she/her be willing to move out?
Very vague and ignorant comment...
- Do you have the right to live and work in the "entire world"?
- Do you have qualifications and rank for those jobs?
- Is your family ready to follow you anywhere?
- If you even have a partner, will she/her be willing to move out?
Very vague and ignorant comment...
- Yes
- Yes
- Yes
If any of the remaining pilots actually had a spine, the CX pilot group wouldn’t be where it is. You reap what you sow.
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The suicide rate in Hong Kong is at about 15 per 100 000 total population per year ( same level as US, lower than SA, higher than UK). Controlled for elevated risk factors as expatriate status, middle age, ethnicity and gender about 20. Applied to an average of 2500 pilots the expected rate would stand at 0.3- 0.5 occurences per year.Statistically the case numbers are hence not significant.
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The suicide rate in Hong Kong is at about 15 per 100 000 total population per year ( same level as US, lower than SA, higher than UK). Controlled for elevated risk factors as expatriate status, middle age, ethnicity and gender about 20. Applied to an average of 2500 pilots the expected rate would stand at 0.3- 0.5 occurences per year.Statistically the case numbers are hence not significant.
The suicide rate in Hong Kong is at about 15 per 100 000 total population per year ( same level as US, lower than SA, higher than UK). Controlled for elevated risk factors as expatriate status, middle age, ethnicity and gender about 20. Applied to an average of 2500 pilots the expected rate would stand at 0.3- 0.5 occurences per year.Statistically the case numbers are hence not significant.
Depression amongst pilots is a well known problem, with airlines globally placing a focus on addressing this illness. Up to 12% of pilots face some form of depression, how that translates into suicide is not known as figures relate to pilot aircraft assisted suicide.
If you wanted to start looking at statistics and applied that 12% to CX, I would be nervous about what could happen, unless CX starts to take some level of ownership towards pilots mental health and not cast them as liabilities requiring immediate isolation.
This is a fault of the CAD and supported by CX.
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Zapp, associating the application of statistics, by definition purely focused on numbers and not the tragedy behind them, with emotional detachment is fatous and defamatory. Truly a remarkable primitive display of intellectual confusion, even by the low standards in here.
Kaboy, nothing what you say makes any remote sense whatsoever, e.g. 12% depression rate among pilots would mean the prevalence is actually lower than in the average population, just to give an example of your obvious complete lack of comprehension. Embarrassing.
Good bye, this was my last post.
Kaboy, nothing what you say makes any remote sense whatsoever, e.g. 12% depression rate among pilots would mean the prevalence is actually lower than in the average population, just to give an example of your obvious complete lack of comprehension. Embarrassing.
Good bye, this was my last post.