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To be frank, I would think that it’s not your lack of civility that rubs people the wrong way; more that you come over as an unpleasant, pompous know-it-all. We all have to endure it in in the flight deck, but thankfully it’s infrequent.
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Yes, STW, I’m that guy people hate flying with.
Regardless, your continual and unwavering defence of CX suggests a very clear picture here.
Regardless, your continual and unwavering defence of CX suggests a very clear picture here.
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Piet, it's a bit difficult to stay well-mannered when you get called as many names as me. The moment you point out flaws in an argument against CX you are immediately a company stooge etc. In fact, just this morning I received a friendly PM from a user calling himself "nkund" to suggest I should suck his (allegedly) generously proportioned gonads. You will be pleased to hear I respectfully declined, in the most polite words possible in such circumstances.
But sure, let's stay civilised, I'll try.
But sure, let's stay civilised, I'll try.
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I know exactly why. It's a defense mechanism.
One of the most threatening events for humans is change. When an industry changes as dramatically as the airline industry does, it creates fear and (secondary) anger. In these situations, humans need an object ( but not themselve and nothing too abstract) to project their anger at. You can observe that very well in politics. A problem is rarely seen as the responsibility of the voter, global circumstances or general human behaviour, it's this or that guy who is responsible. As a consequence you have a whole media industry who concentrates on outrage and anger (Daily Mail, Tucker Carlson etc). The entire business model is to channel the general indignation and anger, and direct it at something (Elites, Washington, the spoiled and entitled Generation Y, Hunter Biden, Transgender, Harry, whatever). If you are left of center you blame big corporations, Boomers or Murdoch. Same principle.
Pilots need to deflect the anger by blaming an entity, like the company or a person just as well. Note the widespread need to vent the first minutes on the crew bus. In these rants, very rarely you hear someone questionning their own career choice or reflecting on global warming. Not once I have heard someone blaming the virus itself. It's always the company, a certain fleet ( not your own), A/B/C/D scale ( again, never your own), cadets ( if none actually on the bus), one specific politician or a certain manager who is the focus. At home the platform to vent is pprune.It gives us a target, a focus.A relief. It's classic scapegoating.
One of the most threatening events for humans is change. When an industry changes as dramatically as the airline industry does, it creates fear and (secondary) anger. In these situations, humans need an object ( but not themselve and nothing too abstract) to project their anger at. You can observe that very well in politics. A problem is rarely seen as the responsibility of the voter, global circumstances or general human behaviour, it's this or that guy who is responsible. As a consequence you have a whole media industry who concentrates on outrage and anger (Daily Mail, Tucker Carlson etc). The entire business model is to channel the general indignation and anger, and direct it at something (Elites, Washington, the spoiled and entitled Generation Y, Hunter Biden, Transgender, Harry, whatever). If you are left of center you blame big corporations, Boomers or Murdoch. Same principle.
Pilots need to deflect the anger by blaming an entity, like the company or a person just as well. Note the widespread need to vent the first minutes on the crew bus. In these rants, very rarely you hear someone questionning their own career choice or reflecting on global warming. Not once I have heard someone blaming the virus itself. It's always the company, a certain fleet ( not your own), A/B/C/D scale ( again, never your own), cadets ( if none actually on the bus), one specific politician or a certain manager who is the focus. At home the platform to vent is pprune.It gives us a target, a focus.A relief. It's classic scapegoating.
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I know exactly why. It's a defense mechanism.
One of the most threatening events for humans is change. When an industry changes as dramatically as the airline industry does, it creates fear and (secondary) anger. In these situations, humans need an object ( but not themselve and nothing too abstract) to project their anger at. You can observe that very well in politics. A problem is rarely seen as the responsibility of the voter, global circumstances or general human behaviour, it's this or that guy who is responsible. As a consequence you have a whole media industry who concentrates on outrage and anger (Daily Mail, Tucker Carlson etc). The entire business model is to channel the general indignation and anger, and direct it at something (Elites, Washington, the spoiled and entitled Generation Y, Hunter Biden, Transgender, Harry, whatever). If you are left of center you blame big corporations, Boomers or Murdoch. Same principle.
Pilots need to deflect the anger by blaming an entity, like the company or a person just as well. Note the widespread need to vent the first minutes on the crew bus. In these rants, very rarely you hear someone questionning their own career choice or reflecting on global warming. Not once I have heard someone blaming the virus itself. It's always the company, a certain fleet ( not your own), A/B/C/D scale ( again, never your own), cadets ( if none actually on the bus), one specific politician or a certain manager who is the focus. At home the platform to vent is pprune.It gives us a target, a focus.A relief. It's classic scapegoating.
One of the most threatening events for humans is change. When an industry changes as dramatically as the airline industry does, it creates fear and (secondary) anger. In these situations, humans need an object ( but not themselve and nothing too abstract) to project their anger at. You can observe that very well in politics. A problem is rarely seen as the responsibility of the voter, global circumstances or general human behaviour, it's this or that guy who is responsible. As a consequence you have a whole media industry who concentrates on outrage and anger (Daily Mail, Tucker Carlson etc). The entire business model is to channel the general indignation and anger, and direct it at something (Elites, Washington, the spoiled and entitled Generation Y, Hunter Biden, Transgender, Harry, whatever). If you are left of center you blame big corporations, Boomers or Murdoch. Same principle.
Pilots need to deflect the anger by blaming an entity, like the company or a person just as well. Note the widespread need to vent the first minutes on the crew bus. In these rants, very rarely you hear someone questionning their own career choice or reflecting on global warming. Not once I have heard someone blaming the virus itself. It's always the company, a certain fleet ( not your own), A/B/C/D scale ( again, never your own), cadets ( if none actually on the bus), one specific politician or a certain manager who is the focus. At home the platform to vent is pprune.It gives us a target, a focus.A relief. It's classic scapegoating.
HAHAHAHA! That’s rich and ironic.
You state that “we the people” fail to look inward, while….wait for it….failing to look inward.
I asked you why YOU were called so many names (out of dozens of fragrant harbourers) and you blame….us…..for failing to accept responsibility.
Maybe it’s just your arrogant, know-it-all-attitude, but no, that can’t be it…..or can it?
It is my honest opinion that you are probably just as often right as you are wrong, but even if you are right, I can’t stand your holier-than-thou tone of “voice”/writing skills.
I don’t find that to this extent with any other ppruner and it reminds me of one or two colleagues I shared a cockpit with.
It’s annoying as crap!
But hey, that’s entirely my bad. If I didn’t want to spend time with you locked up in a flightdeck, I should have chosen another career field!
If you want to hate management etc by all means, but remember all companies managers are the same small brained nutters brownnosing each other in the office to climb their own ladder.
But if you are deliberately practicing poor airmanship then that's a whole different level of childishness, and you become just as bad as them and every other "terrible" pilot, try rise above it and set a good example to your co-pilot / captain. Who cares what these moronic managers are doing or saying, when you come to work just try at least have a good time and not plant it into the side of a mountain or even the runway because you're angry 24/7, leave the politics on the ground for the pub.
But if you are deliberately practicing poor airmanship then that's a whole different level of childishness, and you become just as bad as them and every other "terrible" pilot, try rise above it and set a good example to your co-pilot / captain. Who cares what these moronic managers are doing or saying, when you come to work just try at least have a good time and not plant it into the side of a mountain or even the runway because you're angry 24/7, leave the politics on the ground for the pub.
Well you have to be careful what you say on this forum of.course. As in all countries the techknowledgy is there to track you down, should you have the audacity to print our such vile truths.
I remember years ago, Cathy was only open to sky gods. Now look at it.
You really have no choice but to roll over on your backs, legs up to these people. Unless the crews are prepared to take action, enmass.
What about a mass sick out, for example? The chances of pilots sticking together for this sought of putative action are zero. Shame, as these clowns and robots could be bought to their knees.
Slaves to the industry.
I remember years ago, Cathy was only open to sky gods. Now look at it.
You really have no choice but to roll over on your backs, legs up to these people. Unless the crews are prepared to take action, enmass.
What about a mass sick out, for example? The chances of pilots sticking together for this sought of putative action are zero. Shame, as these clowns and robots could be bought to their knees.
Slaves to the industry.
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The quick fix has finally been applied. Except it won't come into effect until October, and even then only a 6 month "trial".
The 6 months will give them a taxi speed datum. Followed by a reversion to block time only again.
The game is only just beginning.
The 6 months will give them a taxi speed datum. Followed by a reversion to block time only again.
The game is only just beginning.
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If only the company could have some organisation for the pilots to converse with, so that the actions of the pilots wouldn’t end up in the papers.
that way the company would know what the sentiments of the pilots would be.
it would be so efficient.
that way the company would know what the sentiments of the pilots would be.
it would be so efficient.
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Dumbfounded with how delusional and removed from reality you are.
I guess that makes two of us dumbfounded.
You are not treated as a professional, you are not paid as a professional, how much do you have to lose and still keep coming to work to "set a good example" & "have pride in what you do". Would you show up for work and work for free? Kinda sounds like you would. Wouldn't want to "set a bad example" or inconvenience the company right?
It's this kind of blind loyalty and compliance that has got us here in the first place. Isn't a general labour strike by very defenition "trying to screw over the airline"? You do you magenta, maybe if you race around the airport at 30kts you will get a lil pat on the head from management 🤡
I guess that makes two of us dumbfounded.
You are not treated as a professional, you are not paid as a professional, how much do you have to lose and still keep coming to work to "set a good example" & "have pride in what you do". Would you show up for work and work for free? Kinda sounds like you would. Wouldn't want to "set a bad example" or inconvenience the company right?
It's this kind of blind loyalty and compliance that has got us here in the first place. Isn't a general labour strike by very defenition "trying to screw over the airline"? You do you magenta, maybe if you race around the airport at 30kts you will get a lil pat on the head from management 🤡
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Pilots who expect a change should be grateful that the company is at least 'honest'.
Other airlines pay 6 months profit share these days.
The best Cathay comes up with to stop the bleeding is to pay people rostered or flown BH, whichever is higher, well oh no, not right now, from October onwards, as a trial and maybe after the trial, perhaps, maybe or whatever.
At least they are persistent with their political spin, which won't make a difference in renumeration at all.
People are hitting 900 hrs already - with or without rostered or flown BH. It will be the same salary at the end.
Cathay and its accomplice the SCMP are spinning it as a pay rise, which it's not - you can't get paid more than for 900 hrs.
Furthermore they send new joiners to work at the airport for a while or to HKE to earn even less.
Well that will attract more applicants compared to 6 months profit share, won't it ?
This place will never change and with their latest announcements they are exactly telling you that.
Other airlines pay 6 months profit share these days.
The best Cathay comes up with to stop the bleeding is to pay people rostered or flown BH, whichever is higher, well oh no, not right now, from October onwards, as a trial and maybe after the trial, perhaps, maybe or whatever.
At least they are persistent with their political spin, which won't make a difference in renumeration at all.
People are hitting 900 hrs already - with or without rostered or flown BH. It will be the same salary at the end.
Cathay and its accomplice the SCMP are spinning it as a pay rise, which it's not - you can't get paid more than for 900 hrs.
Furthermore they send new joiners to work at the airport for a while or to HKE to earn even less.
Well that will attract more applicants compared to 6 months profit share, won't it ?
This place will never change and with their latest announcements they are exactly telling you that.
But in all seriousness- it’s all fun and games with high taxy speeds until some unfortunate hero smacks a wingtip or doesn’t hold short when they should have, and then we will see Ops A being brought out to smack the individuals during tea and biscuits. Don’t be silly chaps… taxy safely out there. There are other airlines that also taxi very slowly, I’ve noticed as a passenger (Qatar, Singapore and BA are prime examples). It’s unfair for anyone on here (management and otherwise) to point fingers only at CX crew.
