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RIP. Lets not let CX sweep this one under the rug

Old 11th Sep 2022, 01:46
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Originally Posted by Ecam321 View Post
You might benefit from some anger management classes.
And learn some meditation techniques, let this s**t go, get on with your life.
I respectively disagree Ecam321. What they've done to us, and many of us left in protest, as I did, but what they continue to do to the aircrew, torturing, scarring them for life, and destroying their families for their own gain, is abhorrent.

So sorry if I'm angry about it. I was lucky, I voluntarily pulled the pin on what was a great 20 year career, but I'm more angry for the poor sods who can't or won't leave, and now will be affected long term. And for what?

So I stand behind my strongly worded post.
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Old 11th Sep 2022, 06:49
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Originally Posted by HoldenCaufield View Post

Cathay Pacific do not care about your mental health, they do not care about the HK imposed working restrictions as long as the operation continues. They do not care if you die. That is purely an inconvenience.
Nothing more true has been said before. I think many already knew this but now all, even the diehard optimists, must also understand and swallow
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Old 11th Sep 2022, 07:30
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Originally Posted by Ecam321 View Post
You might benefit from some anger management classes.
And learn some meditation techniques, let this s**t go, get on with your life.
Ecam, are you for hire? Life management, like EAP but free on PPRuNe?
Why does his/her reply, no matter how vitriolic, rub you so wrong? Kapo?
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Originally Posted by Papa123 View Post
Ecam, are you for hire? Life management, like EAP but free on PPRuNe?
Why does his/her reply, no matter how vitriolic, rub you so wrong? Kapo?
The kind of anger that I felt being expressed in that post, is actually quite damaging to your health, if not addressed appropriately.
And this thread was started because of the sad events of pilots deaths, one of which was probably due to stress and or depression. Which if had been addressed earlier, maybe there could have been an intervention and saved the poor lads life.

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I think I'm well within my rights to be angry, and outraged. After all, spouting anger is a relief and a release, and cathartic.

For some of us, we have dedicated 20-30 years of our life to, what we always knew deep down, was a highly immoral employer, and thus effectively a mercenary posting... the money was outrageously good... However, even though we knew that deep down all along, we still have the right to scream and shout about it a bit don't we?

I left Cathay, voluntarily (yes STW, voluntarily, I think you have me confused with someone else) last year, before Cathay could do irreparable damage to my mental health. I feel for my colleagues who remained, and I left behind in Hong Kong. I can't imagine what their mental state must be now.

Respectfully, FC
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Watch out for those Joíburg egrets.
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Hiuh? Perhaps you should lay off the home grown. What are Joburg egrets? Are those the ladies who follow you from the Bull Run to the Sandton Sun with promises of a 'life changing experience'? I know more than a few who have fallen down that particular rabbit hole. Buyer beware, preferably sober!
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Hiuh? Perhaps you should lay off the home grown. What are Joburg egrets? Are those the ladies who follow you from the Bull Run to the Sandton Sun with promises of a 'life changing experience'? I know more than a few who have fallen down that particular rabbit hole. Buyer beware, preferably sober!
No soft lad. The ones that took your engines out.
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Originally Posted by MENELAUS View Post
No soft lad. The ones that took your engines out.
Another one barking up the wrong tree . There must be something in the water over there.

Keep fishing!

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Old 12th Sep 2022, 07:33
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Originally Posted by Ecam321 View Post
The kind of anger that I felt being expressed in that post, is actually quite damaging to your health, if not addressed appropriately.
And this thread was started because of the sad events of pilots deaths, one of which was probably due to stress and or depression. Which if had been addressed earlier, maybe there could have been an intervention and saved the poor lads life.

ecam mate. Get on with your life and or watch some gay porn please. This forum is too crappy for you. Reading all these REAL issue in the REAL world will damage your mental health, if itís not damaged enough.
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Another one barking up the wrong tree . There must be something in the water over there.

Keep fishing!
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Well, that's a load of codswallop! Don't believe what you read in AvHerald it seems.

A little birdie who was very close to the events on that day says he lost two of his larger mates into engines 1 and 4. Eng 1 severe damage/shutdown, and no indications from Eng 4, but upon inspection once back on terra firm, found damage to Eng 4 as well.
More than one Flying Clog then is there ?
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Yeah, you might still be up the wrong tree there. But well done for the research. Bit too much time on our hands on he 777 perhaps?
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Yeah, you might still be up the wrong tree there. But well done for the research. Bit too much time on our hands on he 777 perhaps?

Yes. Exactly that. Back to topic. Letís not forget that weíve lost 2 (3 ?) of our own, arguably down to the callousness of an employer that couldnít give a [email protected] about its most valuable asset, the people that keep the operation going.
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The company will never give a damn about the pilots. The flight attendants are the ones that the company need to keep satisfied, after all they are the ones the public come into direct contact with. The pilots in their locked box can whine all they like. Just look at the teams meetings and yammer Q's. All manner of sensible requests from pilots for management to improve. But the standard lame response is always given.

Forget about it! It's pointless. They would rather hit the ice berg than turn the ship.

I have my popcorn ready and although they offer 2x G day call outs as a standard these days, I've heard of some getting 4x by trying it on when they can smell the desperation in the crew oops voice.
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Originally Posted by MENELAUS View Post
Yes. Exactly that. Back to topic. Letís not forget that weíve lost 2 (3 ?) of our own, arguably down to the callousness of an employer that couldnít give a [email protected] about its most valuable asset, the people that keep the operation going.
Agreed Menelaus, the real enemy is CX management, and now they have blood on their hands that, of course, they won't acknowledge.
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It is sad see here that the normal suspects could not resist the opportunity try to turn this tragedy into another circus or wait to spout another pack of the usual farcical nonsense .
Shame on you.
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It is sad see here that the normal suspects could not resist the opportunity try to turn this tragedy into another circus or wait to spout another pack of the usual farcical nonsense .
Shame on you.
China, why are you sooooo defensive of Cathay (management). For most of us here I believe we see this as a sick play on a workforce who have no other career options. THAT is heartless.
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Itís not complicated - itís a freak show!

You canít make up this sh*t.



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Its normal here to see the same old names stick up for Cathay when the entire staff management over the last couple of years has shown they do not consider staff at all.
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Its normal here to see the same old names stick up for Cathay when the entire staff management over the last couple of years has shown they do not consider staff at all.
Stockholm syndrome
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