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Direct entry command.

Old 28th Apr 2022, 04:40
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Direct entry command.

In an answer to the impending shortage of pilots that Hong Kong will face when the wonderful government consider it safe to open up to the rest of the dirty infected world. A plan is in place to offer DEC contracts aimed at ex CX commanders who might be lured back to Hong Kong for another stint. Remuneration is an all inclusive monthly payment, that supposedly covers housing /medical etc.
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Old 28th Apr 2022, 05:44
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For a second there I thought it must have been 1 April. Imagine my surprise when I discovered that it was almost a month ago!
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Old 28th Apr 2022, 07:00
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The price tag for me to EVER walk in to CX CIty again....it would have to be over a hundred thousand US a month... in my off shore account. Won't HAPPEN.
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Old 28th Apr 2022, 07:15
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They could have just offered unpaid leave in the first place, next think you'll know is that they will offer bases again.

Or commuting contracts, or part time.

All fairly cheap ways to solve their problem, but they will probably just throw money at it instead, since they are a 'hong kong airline'

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Old 28th Apr 2022, 07:52
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Originally Posted by HKG_Refugee View Post
The price tag for me to EVER walk in to CX CIty again....it would have to be over a hundred thousand US a month... in my off shore account. Won't HAPPEN.
I think this sentiment will be shared by many. CX has left a sour taste in a lot of their ex-employees mouths.
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Old 28th Apr 2022, 09:22
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Originally Posted by Oasis View Post
They could have just offered unpaid leave in the first place, next think you'll know is that they will offer bases again.

Or commuting contracts, or part time.

All fairly cheap ways to solve their problem, but they will probably just throw money at it instead, since they are a 'hong kong airline'
Bases are not cheap anymore and will never come back. Neither will Cathay ever offer part time or (real, workable) commuter contracts.
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Old 28th Apr 2022, 09:23
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DEC offers will just push the exodus further from the FO pool. Fellow countrymen are leaving for Doha and back to Blighty for LCC flying. There are several Austronauts going back to Dash 8's, the Americans are going to Atlas others are just leaving Aviation. CX has left a sour taste in everyone's mouth. After over a decade of slavery for many of these gents time has come to depart no matter what.
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Old 28th Apr 2022, 09:25
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong View Post
Bases are not cheap anymore and will never come back. Neither will Cathay ever offer part time or (real, workable) commuter contracts.
I think the current outflow of talent is less sustainable than bases or part time rostering.

But I'm sure someone has to save face on the 3rd floor.
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Old 28th Apr 2022, 09:28
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Originally Posted by Rie View Post
DEC offers will just push the exodus further from the FO pool. Fellow countrymen are leaving for Doha and back to Blighty for LCC flying. There are several Austronauts going back to Dash 8's, the Americans are going to Atlas others are just leaving Aviation. CX has left a sour taste in everyone's mouth. After over a decade of slavery for many of these gents time has come to depart no matter what.

Saw information 300 plus CX crew had passed stage one of the interview in Doha, not everyone will be going, but that's a lot.
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Old 28th Apr 2022, 13:42
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Originally Posted by Oasis View Post
Saw information 300 plus CX crew had passed stage one of the interview in Doha, not everyone will be going, but that's a lot.
Stage one is only scratching the surface. Just waiting until you see everyone at check in heading for the real interviews, most will pass given how desperate QR have become for bodies. You would have to have lost your marbles to go to Doha any other time but right now it makes sense for many.

I've heard that it's not just CX haemorrhaging right now. UO are also going to have major issues maintaining crew. Russians having to make hard choices given the current situation and supposedly at least half of the crew working for other companies during their unpaid leave.
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Old 28th Apr 2022, 18:31
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Need to start pay to fly for all cadet pilot , $160k USD is good price to charge , then Western Capt can also be paid the increase . Very safe very good for business
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Old 29th Apr 2022, 00:45
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This is a red herring, no significant number of Cathay pilots will leave and go to Qatar (unfortunately). Terrible place to live and work.


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Old 29th Apr 2022, 01:40
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong View Post
This is a red herring, no significant number of Cathay pilots will leave and go to Qatar (unfortunately). Terrible place to live and work.
How do you know?
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Old 29th Apr 2022, 02:15
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Less money for more work under an evil management requiring to live in a hostile culture in a place that is basically inhabitable for 8 months per year and boring for 12 months, all with no chance of commuting.

Let's call it an educated guess ;-)
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Old 29th Apr 2022, 02:36
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STW is all over it. They are caníts. And then they fire you. Hardly an industry secrets.
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Old 29th Apr 2022, 03:19
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong View Post
Less money for more work under an evil management requiring to live in a hostile culture in a place that is basically inhabitable for 8 months per year and boring for 12 months, all with no chance of commuting.

Let's call it an educated guess ;-)
*Less money: nope!
*More work: depends on the fleet, but generally youíre right (747 being the exception).
*Evil management: you mean like cx?
*Hostile culture: you mean like China?
*No chance of commuting: you mean like Hong Kong?

A guess? Yes! Educated? Hardly!
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Old 29th Apr 2022, 03:35
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Come on Piet, it takes about 2 minutes to look up the salary and average block hours at Qatar. Really?

If you believe living conditions, commuting potential and management are the same, it is your opinion, fair enough. But I am very sure you are in a minority position here. You will see, there will be no significant outflow to Qatar from Cathay. Want to bet?

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Old 29th Apr 2022, 03:51
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong View Post
Come on Piet, it takes about 2 minutes to look up the salary and average block hours at Qatar. Really?

If you believe living conditions, commuting potential and management are the same, it is your opinion, fair enough. But I am very sure you are in a minority position here. You will see, there will be no significant flow to Qatar to Cathay. Want to bet?
My mate is making more money than I was in cx AFTER tax and the disparity will be even greater after your ARAP expires, so you keep up your google info. He also flies the 747 and his roster is an average of 55-60 hours a month, but again: google probably knows better.

Commuting out of HKG has been pretty much impossible in the previous 2 years and will probably be for quite some time, unless you dismiss your 2 weeks of quarantaine and count that as your holiday.
My friend travels home at least once a month.

You always seem to know better, donít you STW!
I donít think many will cross over from cx to qr, but I am merely correcting your google info and give you some more informed information.

By the way, I hope you noticed I didnít correct your statement about Doha being unliveable and boring and hence comparing cx and qr and HKG and DOH is apples and oranges.
Some of your ďopinionsĒ however are not based on facts, hence my interjection.
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Old 29th Apr 2022, 03:54
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Almost every statement starting with "a friend of mine" is BS. Check the salary scale of captains in Qatar. Its not comparable to Cathay and you know it. There is also no way you can commute home once a month at Qatar.

Of course right now CX is almost unbearable. But most people will make career choices long term, that is my argument here.

Again, the whole point is there will be no significant outflow to Qatar. Unfortunately.

Don't shoot the messenger, it's not my fault there are way worse places than CX. Your anger is projected, as usual.
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Old 29th Apr 2022, 04:03
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong View Post
Almost every statement starting with "a friend of mine" is BS. Check the salary scale of captains in Qatar. Its not comparable to Cathay and you know it.

Again, the whole point is there will be no significant outflow to Qatar. Unfortunately.

Don't shoot the messenger, it's not my fault there are way worse places than CX. You anger is projected, as usual.
Mate, believe what you want. Iíve seen his rosters AND his payslips.
Iíve also visited him in Doha and I concur: it IS most definitely a shitty place to live in.
The only reason he manages to live there: $$$.

Do you care to comment on my statement about your ability to commute from HKG or would you rather dismiss this with your typical arrogance?
The difference between you and I: I acknowledge when you get one right. You seem to be unable to.
And most definitely you are unable to acknowledge anything you might have gotten wrong.
No wonder you feel so at home and comfy in cx.
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