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Old 30th Apr 2022, 15:34
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Sorry, you’re right; proceed..
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Old 30th Apr 2022, 21:19
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Honestly, the sooner you two sh*g each other the better for everyone on Fragrant Harbour!
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Old 1st May 2022, 04:38
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Honestly, the sooner you two sh*g each other the better for everyone on Fragrant Harbour!
Hear hear! It is good fun to read though
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Old 5th May 2022, 00:23
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Pandemic made me aware of a few things. I don't really need the dosh and month on month (or three) off is the best possible schedule. I'd commute just about anywhere or return to flying turboprop hub turns permanently like 27 years ago to continue same schedule
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Old 8th May 2022, 11:49
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong
Piet, cool down, I come in peace. We are all in the same boat.

QR is ( unfortunately) no better alternative to CX.

Can you commute to Europe at QR?
If you are not interested in QR why don't you STFU.? Get a hobby FCOL.
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Old 9th May 2022, 02:36
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Does QR operate a normal amount of flights? Y
Does QR operate at a profit? Y
Will QR be here in 12 months? Y

You can't answer Yes to any of those about CX.

QR isn't a bad move. Staying in HK on 'HOPE' is the absurd.
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Old 9th May 2022, 04:11
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So POSITIVE fac. When does your life return to “normal”? No longer under the yoke of CX/HK gov senseless rules. You operate like a professional and the company treats you as such - not like a coolie willing to do anything for a bowl of soup. Oh, maybe convinced it’s all well and good.
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Old 9th May 2022, 04:43
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Originally Posted by HKG_Refugee
Does QR operate at a profit? Y
Is Qatar profitable? No... and it never will be. What do you expect from a place that is propped up by the government. They lose massive amounts every year like the rest of the GCC.

Is it a nightmare? Yes... Just ask any of the CX guys that have left and regret it. The place is horrible for all workers, barely a single sensible person has a good word to say about the company
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Old 9th May 2022, 11:00
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Originally Posted by Papa123
So POSITIVE fac. When does your life return to “normal”? No longer under the yoke of CX/HK gov senseless rules. You operate like a professional and the company treats you as such - not like a coolie willing to do anything for a bowl of soup. Oh, maybe convinced it’s all well and good.
I left CX back in Dec 2021. Have you?
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Old 9th May 2022, 19:46
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Originally Posted by Rie
Is Qatar profitable? No... and it never will be. What do you expect from a place that is propped up by the government. They lose massive amounts every year like the rest of the GCC.

Is it a nightmare? Yes... Just ask any of the CX guys that have left and regret it. The place is horrible for all workers, barely a single sensible person has a good word to say about the company
arrrghhh, I am kicking myself for even trying to reason with you Pro-CX/HK types. The parties long over and the smart money (me) left.
Now time to leave here, there are better things to do in life.
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Old 9th May 2022, 23:33
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Originally Posted by Fac6
I left CX back in Dec 2021. Have you?
I don't think you really left if your still on here.... Time to let go.
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Old 10th May 2022, 02:38
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Originally Posted by Fac6
CX flights are increasing weekly
CX did generate a profit in the last half of 2021
CX will of course be around in 12 months.
Keep your clothes on Flac, and don’t get too excited!

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...ravellers-hong



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Old 10th May 2022, 03:12
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*Chuckle* I'll try
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Old 10th May 2022, 03:42
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In comparing QR AND CX I think some very important facts are being missed.

Do QR or EK etc. make or ever made a real profit?
Who cares? Do they pay you well enough reliably to put your eggs in that basket? Does it make any difference to you as an employee where the money you get comes from, whether from profits or government subsidies? Nope. It doesn't make a jack sh!t difference. In fact IF it's not profit based, it's more stable than otherwise.

Does QR management actively obsess with how they can save money by pulling it out of pilots' pockets maliciously? For example, last year CX management decided to cancel providing pilots with the rental deposit (which is 2 months rent) so if you signed a new rental lease you wouldn't get that assistance and now not having known about this new policy since they intentionally didn't announced it anywhere, you had to pay it yourself having already signed a new lease AND canceled your old one meaning you're forced to give back that previously paid deposit and pay the two months deposit out of pocket. It was decided to quietly implement this WITHOUT any announcement as to catch as many pilots in that predicament as possible to maximize recouping as much of that outstanding cash as possible very obviously to the detrement of cx pilots getting caught off-gaurd by this. I know a person present in a meeting when this strategy was discussed and decided. This is just one example. There are others. Does QR do that? I don't know. Do they?

And consider the management at cx in another aspect. Compare the CEO of QR who has famously said the airline that pays well will never have a shortage of pilots. An amazingly competent and realistic thing to say as a manager. Now compare that to the waste of oxygen cx has for a CEO and always chooses one after the other of the same, more or less. Who would you rather work for? Which has a better expectation of success in this business or any for that matter? Jellyfish, the GMAs one after the other, combination of waste of oxygen and vindictive malicious individuals.

We all know first hand what a toxic cancerous place CX is. We've all had our buckets of sh!t filled and overflowed by cx for many years. Giving another option a chance especially we'd be starting with an empty bucket of sh!t is a better bet than staying where we all know is only getting worse by the day. It doesn't matter how good cx does in any aspect. The employees will never get to share in any of that success. They've made that extremely clear to everyone. They will thank you for your sacrifice and nothing more than the bottom minimum possible.

I've been working for airlines for the past 32+ years. More than a few of them. I've never seen a more toxic and cancerous place of employment and I've never seen a more vicious, vindictive, malicious and on top of it all incompetent management anywhere. Almost all of us came here as mercenaries. It was always a toxic ****hole of a place to work. It's just that it paid well with good benefits so we came and stayed. Now the salary is less than 1/2 of that and benefits are 1/3 of that, there's nothing left to make it worth it to stay. Nothing left other than the cancer and toxicity.

If you have any delusions of cx somehow proving to be anything but a cancer on your career and life whether they somehow manage to survive despite doing all the wrong things, I'm here to tell you you're wrong. You'd be much better off taking a change on something new.

For those having excised this cancer from their life and career, the price to put it back better be an extremely high amount, to consider going back as direct entry captain etc.

What is your price?

Don't answer that.

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Old 10th May 2022, 04:35
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Originally Posted by HKG_Refugee
arrrghhh, I am kicking myself for even trying to reason with you Pro-CX/HK types. The parties long over and the smart money (me) left.
Now time to leave here, there are better things to do in life.
I'm not pro CX-HK at all. The company has paid me for years but I have no more loyalty to them. Clearly you are flawed in all of your arguments about the company. Trying to compare one company in a petro-state against a Chinese Dictatorship majority airline in HK is senseless. Grass isn't always greener
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Old 10th May 2022, 14:29
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Rie "Grass isn't always greener"



It is,

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Old 10th May 2022, 16:19
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But to be fair: there is no (real) grass in the middle east.
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Old 11th May 2022, 08:24
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I've left.
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Old 11th May 2022, 10:33
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Originally Posted by HKG_Refugee
arrrghhh, I am kicking myself for even trying to reason with you Pro-CX/HK types. The parties long over and the smart money (me) left.
Now time to leave here, there are better things to do in life.
I would wholeheartedly agree. No DEC happening here and it’s time to move on with life. The Hong Kong Express has left the station !!
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Old 11th May 2022, 11:13
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Originally Posted by HKG_Refugee
arrrghhh, I am kicking myself for even trying to reason with you Pro-CX/HK types. The parties long over and the smart money (me) left. Now time to leave here, there are better things to do in life.
Pffft. Get off your high horse.

As if you have to be a genius to realize there are better options out there.
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