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Hong Kong to Further Tighten Quarantine Requirements.

Old 15th Nov 2021, 08:06
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UK, US and Canadian governments have all stood in for their crew saying the conditions in Penny's Bay are disgraceful/unacceptable - let alone the uncredited duty hours spent waiting for tests at midfield, crew required to spend every day off traveling to and waiting for COVID testing or having to isolate at home for the foreseeable future. Crickets from the AOA...

If CX pilots don't stand up against this nonsense they'll have no grounds to complain about anything in future.

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Old 15th Nov 2021, 08:32
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Pedalz, there is a Canadian triple pilot who can help with mental health problems. They take you off to a seminar and bring out all the bad. Must be wonderful for the mental health...

On second thoughts maybe they shouldn't be flying either.
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Old 15th Nov 2021, 08:35
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Your doctor is only a phone call away...
...and your career is only an email away.

You guys call the DFO 'jellyfish', but he is the one reaping rewards whilst the rest of you hold the bowl out. There isn't a backbone anywhere within the pilot group, stop waisting bandwidth.
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Old 15th Nov 2021, 08:40
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Not your career, only the job with this company.
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Old 15th Nov 2021, 09:22
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Take the initiative and walk, don't use sick leave.

That's a piss poor security blanket to retain employment and cling onto your job, hoping a career is around the corner.
Reality check.....there isn't.
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Old 15th Nov 2021, 09:33
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Sick leave doesn't protect my job, it protects me right now. I don't think a career exists here anymore and even if it did, I just don't want to stay here any longer.
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Old 15th Nov 2021, 10:08
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I would fully support these insta pilots especially Eva who is in PB. this actually might get the attention from around the world of what is really going on and happening to air crew. CX are trying to brush it all under the carpet to protect their share price but the hundreds of thousands who follow these guys will no doubt be sharing this across platforms.

The sooner the rest of the world see's what is going on, the better the outcome is for all of us. This is a time when she can put her 200k plus following to some real valuable use. fingers crossed she keeps exposing the truth of PB.

You might not like her or him, But keep an eye on what the power of social media CAN do.
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Old 15th Nov 2021, 10:21
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The food is already good.

She posts anything anti government and she can kiss her life gone....she ain't that stupid, I think.
I think she will even start to drink the CHP Koolaid saying it was necessary to keep HK safe.

After all, its their $30B keeping the airline alive.

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Old 15th Nov 2021, 10:24
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So far, just a talk with full makeup on, about what happened. She will not go against the company. They probably gifted her a red and blue coffee cup (#stollen) in order for her not cry on camera.
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Old 15th Nov 2021, 11:36
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the World sees what the same dictatorship Gov did to the uyghurs, what did they do? All talk No action... they're going to be like 'this is not acceptable!!!!', then what is the HK gov going to say, like they always do 'foreign countries should not meddle with our internal policies'....
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Old 15th Nov 2021, 11:53
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Quote from a mate at an American university:

”If this girl in my class says ‘like’ one more time, I’m gonna scream!”
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Old 15th Nov 2021, 15:02
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It wouldnt surprise me very shortly CX will ask the stopover hotels to issue single-entry keycards to the crew.. to prevent walkabouts....and beefy security guards.. who doesn't understand English, with one job only, to keep you from escaping..oops walkabout town... posted at the end of corridors for non-compliant crew members who decide to go ninja and sneak out.... but all this is for the good of opening up the border..... be a patriot.
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Old 16th Nov 2021, 11:05
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The common denominator is Frankfurt. Any sentient being would be suggesting that the hotel is the problem, not the crew who have tested positive. It has been shown time and again in places like Australia and NZ where hotels have been used for quarantine that they are unsuited to providing a covid free environment to "inmates". Simple questions have not been answered. Has the hotel had its ventilation upgraded? Do hotel staff wear PPE when delivering food to rooms? Are rooms, hallways and shared spaces properly disinfected? Are all hotel staff fully vaccinated? Are crew transport drivers fully vaccinated? This is an aerosol transmitted virus that doesn't pay heed to keycards, single entry or otherwise. The Delta strain has shown that the virus cannot be eliminated and the only solution is extremely high vaccination rates and learning to live with it. The current policy being adopted by the HKGov and China as a whole is counterintuitive and doomed to fail...both in protecting people and allowing businesses to operate. The quality of crew hotels has deteriorated consistently over the past decade, to the extent that the company is now , in this COVID world, putting crews at risk of catching COVID and/or suffering a complete mental breakdown.
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Old 16th Nov 2021, 21:37
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Europe, Germany and most of the world are not advocating a zero COVID strategy now, so I suggest that the above will not happen nor will it even be a possibility. If Cathay are concerned about Frankfurt hotels then they’ll just have to stop slipping there.
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Old 17th Nov 2021, 02:04
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Quarintine Rules are for the little people:

JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimonwas allowed to bypass Hong Kong’s draconian COVID-related quarantine rules for a 32-hour visit to the city.The Wall Street Journal reported Dimon was the first-known Wall Street corporate leader to visit Hong Kong since the pandemic began, and his arrival came days after Hong Kong’s government removed quarantine exemptions for foreign dignitaries.

Under Hong Kong’s rules, most visitors need to be quarantined for up to three weeks at their own expense in government-owned hotels before they can move about the city. There are exceptions to the rule, though in Dimon’s case it appears he never spent a minute in quarantine.


In the case of NZ, hotels who's ventilation system wasn't up to standard were either dropped by the MIQ program or closed for a few weeks whilst it was upgraded.
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Old 17th Nov 2021, 02:25
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In other news,

"Faster vaccination of the elderly and booster doses in focus as country seeks way out of strict pandemic controls... ....Hence, China is seeking to boost its vaccination drive with the hopes of building herd immunity as part of conditions to relax its tough zero-Covid control measures."


"China has approved trials for the use of a domestically developed mRNA Covid-19 vaccine as a booster shot — a development that could widen the options for China’s vaccination campaign... ...China has approved trials for the use of a domestically developed mRNA Covid-19 vaccine as a booster shot — a development that could widen the options for China’s vaccination campaign."


I am sure big brother wants a way out of this nonsense approach too.
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Old 17th Nov 2021, 03:59
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Before you torch the Mainz hotel on suspicion, can I point out that FRA is virtually the only freighter port where we arrive and depart through the busy, crowded, thronging main passenger terminals for CIQ and security.

Oh it must be the hotel room where we must isolate while watching the good folk of Germany strolling along the riverside. It can’t be the airport where those people line up alongside us in the hundreds…
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Old 17th Nov 2021, 05:38
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Point taken. I wasn't torching the Hyatt per se, but rather pointing out the stupidity of the quarantine situation in HKG.

Given that FRA was singled out for special treatment by the HK Quarantine system one must logically deduce that they believe the hotel to be the problem. They are locking up crew at PB for 21 days even though they test negative on return to HK.

The reality is that the HK Govt and PRC elimination strategy is absolute madness. Taken to its logical conclusion it must mean that anyone arriving in HK goes to PB for 21 days, unless, of course, you happen to be the CEO of a major Wall Street firm.
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Old 17th Nov 2021, 07:46
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Where will the Crews be staying in the near future ? Since the Hyatt in Mainz is an excellent Hotel, i suggest a Holiday Inn Express near the airport will be the coice. Walking distance, of course. So no one has to breath in contaminated cab driver air. Mad world...
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Old 17th Nov 2021, 10:23
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