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Just say nothing

Old 31st Aug 2021, 06:58
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Just say nothing

Company making repeated calls for volunteers for extended duty periods and closed loop flying. Don't do it!

The extended duty periods wouldn't be legal in normal times, in these stressed times they are even more unjustified.

The closed loop flying needs to be much better rewarded. More money, more annual leave, better hotels with better food. After all they have done to us, they can just get on current conditions.

There are plenty of idle pilots. Improve the conditions and management of crew, then there might be a bit more up take.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 08:02
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I need the money.

EDP gets me more days off.

How many utter these words?
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 10:56
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Monthly salary and EDP are a small piece of the pie.

Everyone forgets they took from us leave, retirement prov fund, kids education, housing, medical, release date of roster, the ability to swap flights and not lose money, redundancy clause, the sweep of changes in Rev 7 and finally the worse one.. the first paragraph Under benefits and allowances that states the company will review and change your remuation however, whenever and as much as they want unilaterally until the end of time...
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 12:11
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I'm a pilot, I have a job, I'm bitching about my job because the company suck! But I did sign COS18 as I had no choice, so therefore my point is...

My only advice is to 'move beyond', the company have divided you blokes for over a decade and you still think you will change it....😂

There is even a post about why be in the AOA, doesn't that sum up your chances??

Until you get one cultural group into a majority position, you will forever hold out the begging bowl. CX know this from the past and have skillfully identified where to target.

Airing your dirty laundry only confirms you are on a hiding to nothing.

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Old 31st Aug 2021, 13:19
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Pretty sure most of the SO's and a fair chunk of the South Africans are jumping up and down for more closed loop flying. Money is on the line.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 14:09
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Bless the saffer’s, makes the DFO a proud man. Nothing finer than when your countrymen stand up!
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 14:26
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Wow - you lot are really premium judgemental asses aren't you. Cx only recruits the best of the best and that must be why you're here.

Wait till this company is filled with pilots from actual third world countries a few years from now and you'll be missing those saffers you so pi$$ on now.

Go drive a truck in a mine in Aus. Quick. Before the saffers get there!

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Old 1st Sep 2021, 08:40
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Originally Posted by Strikeforce View Post
They are taking everything from us, and people keep giving them more. When will we stand together and fight back?
Not a CX jockey.. but a follower/stalker for a few years, what I have seen, CX pilots will never stand together, every pilot seems to have their own agenda, basically like any pilot around the world, every pilot for himself. Dog eat dog world, even if you wear the same uniform, same company and same union never assume your colleagues have your back instead WATCH YOUR BACK nothing like a 9-inch serrated knife through your back. It's the way of life.
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 09:59
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Wow... For not a cx jockey you have summed it up perfectly as though you have intimate knowledge. Bravo!
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 10:19
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CX Pilots in Denial

Do CX Pilots remain in Denial because Hong Kong Government has helped CX too much ?
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 11:30
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Denial about what? We are all well aware this place is
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 11:43
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Its dog eat dog since forever.Those who think otherwise need a reality check.
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 12:09
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Ummm, never. Has that not been made abundantly clear?
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 14:33
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Wow, interesting...

Vast majority of people I know in the loop are from the OTHER Commonwealth countries, and locals. Many of the Saffers I know didn’t renew their leases and are back in SA indefinitely because it’s so cheap. For some even possible on SLV. So no need for loop flying.
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 14:39
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Yea, cause all the previous non-saffer DFO’s were absolute gems, right?

Doos!
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 18:50
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Just smile and wave, smile and wave.
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Old 2nd Sep 2021, 01:14
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You are right many of them went back home to enjoy the fresh air and escape this place. Lots have now gone back through the Maldives to washout for the Group A bans and are flying again. This is just my perspective from a fair few people I know who are flying now. Lots of SLV is now being denied so it's either sit around DB with your wife being bored or go flying and try and break even for a month.
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Old 2nd Sep 2021, 02:08
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Well Im trying to unsubscribe to the FOP weekly newsletters.
I believe none of them that write these newsletters have a shred of any ethical business sense.
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Old 2nd Sep 2021, 03:25
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Just flag them as junk. Your email program will do the rest!
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