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Work Visa renewals

Old 1st Apr 2021, 12:17
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It is of interest to note that the formation of a cadet scheme was a “requirement”. Only by demonstrating a local training scheme could the incumbents justify recruiting expats (having demonstrated that they had done their best to further local talent). Furthermore in the UK/USA the buying and closure of a competitor would have fallen foul of monopolies and mergers/anti trust legislation albeit in the case of KA it took some years. One could argue the intent to stifle competition was there since the 80s?

The HK Governments view of work visas is clear:

At present, non-local professionals nationals may be admitted into Hong Kong for employment under the General Employment Policy and the Admission Scheme for Mainland Professionals and Talents if, among other things: (i) there is a genuine job vacancy; (ii) the applicant has a confirmed offer of employment and is employed in a job relevant to his academic qualifications or work experience that cannot be readily taken up by the local work force; and (iii) the remuneration package is broadly commensurate with the prevailing market level for professionals in Hong Kong.

In processing each application for entry and extension of stay for employment in Hong Kong, the Immigration Department (ImmD) acts in accordance with the laws and immigration policies. ImmD will examine whether the applicant meets the specific eligibility criteria under the relevant admission scheme and normal immigration requirements, and will take into account the individual circumstances of each application in deciding whether to approve or refuse the application concerned.


Make what you will of the above. I personally don’t see how HK can develop as the Greater Bays hub unless we nurture local talent. One does not do that by chucking them on the scrap heap. All the more so where one continually hears “I’m leaving as soon as I can” from a large number of expatriates.

In my home country there was no way we could or would have been replaced by “imported talent” unless there was a clearly demonstrated requirement.

As to my career as an expatriate in SE Asia and the ME I took it as a given that I was there on sufferance and that I could vote with my feet.
The compensation I received was based upon that supposition. Obviously that has changed.

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Old 1st Apr 2021, 12:21
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what i see is a man living in his own world loll
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Old 2nd Apr 2021, 01:23
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Hear it from the Gov, quote:

In view of the local economic downturn and rising unemployment rate amid the COVID-19 pandemic, the Government understands the public's concerns and reaffirms the established policy of upholding priority employment of the local workforce. In recent months, the ImmD has been closely monitoring the employment situation of different industries, including the aviation industry as referred to in the question. In view of the latest employment situation of the local aviation industry, the ImmD has, after consultation with the relevant bureaux and departments, critically scrutinised applications from the industry made under GEP and ASMTP for employment visa/entry permit and extension of stay. In fact, the ImmD did not approve any new employment visas/entry permits for non-local pilots to work in Hong Kong in the past three months.

Ends/Wednesday, February 24, 2021
Issued at HKT 18:35

https://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/...htm?fontSize=1
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Old 2nd Apr 2021, 01:39
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Get your head around that this has nothing to do with who Cathay might want to retain now or employ in the future. This is purely a Hong Kong Immigration Department issue and the director will make decisions based upon his interpretation of the GEP and not based upon Cathay’s current or future recruitment policy. Keep in mind the criteria for the renewal of a work visa is identical to the criteria for an initial issue.

Let’s also not forget that the aggrieved PR pilots aren’t just former KA crew. There are also both former and current CX crew who have filed grievances with the Immigration Department. Numerous based crew who hold PR status have requested to be based back in Hong Kong but their request has been denied due to no positions being available. CX management now find themselves in the untenable position of writing letters to its own PR pilots claiming they have no work for them yet are writing letters to the Immigration Department arguing the case for temporary work visas.

The Director of Immigration will decide which argument is more valid.
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Old 2nd Apr 2021, 02:15
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Isn't odd how CX always get themselves in such jams as this? It’s not as if they didn’t know about it.
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 01:32
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It's nice to see how the ImmD has carefully worded their response to appease the public whilst still "RENEWING" work visas in the background. ImmD clearly, with the help of CX management I'm sure, see the value which we expats bring to the table. The local KA boys just don't have the international exposure that we have and is much needed for long-haul international flying. It's not our fault that they shut down KA and it's only natural that all staff in KA were terminated, regardless of citizenship status. At the end of the day, we're 2 different airlines and KA was the subsidiary.
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 01:35
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Nice April fools wind up.

That is like saying a qualified accountant with a PR that works for HSBC in the U.K. can go to the immigration department in HKG and demand they get employed in HKG with HSBC and displace someone on a work permit.

Not going to happen.
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 01:36
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Exactly, the fact that they lost their jobs has nothing to do with us.
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 02:06
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I think you need to check your facts. People have already left because their work permits were not renewed. Furthermore if you lose your job you automatically lose your work visa.
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 03:13
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That is exactly what written in the GEP. Not exactly displace someone position on working permit, but then they claim that there a readily workforce to do the same job. If immD strictly follow the black and white policy, visa holder should start packing
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 03:30
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I honestly couldn’t tell you without knowing HSBC’s Permanent Basings Policy Agreement. Do you know it? Do you even know your own?

Management are once again tied in knots in a mess of their own making thanks in no small part to Swire’s brilliant rotational management policy which encourages short term knee jerk policy on the run rather than long term strategic decisions.

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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 05:19
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Well that's the most ridiculous thing I've read today. Nice one.
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 05:28
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Agreed. Utter horse 💩. Long haul international flying, the vagaries of fatigue aside, is some of the easiest that can be done. Invariably in to highly regulated airfields where arrivals are straightforward. Busy perhaps, but straightforward. Unlike any PRC airfield I’ve ever been to. And that was our KA colleagues’ bread and butter.
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 06:09
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im sure there are challenges in long haul flying too... like which meal you’ll pick out of the 5 of offer and whether or not you should visit the Louvre or notre damn on your G day in Paris. My heart bleeds for you guys.
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 06:38
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More of an Hôtel Biron man myself. And beating the SO to the one remaining burger was always a toughie.
I suspect day in day out Chinese turnarounds in some of the worst weather out there and with deliberately obstructive ‘help’ has the edge however.

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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 06:38
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Don't group us together. That was written by some sandwich eating SO who boasts about his 400hrs Instructing at Jandakot "experience" prior to joining CX.
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 07:24
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I'm sorry dragon boys you cant have your cake and eat it too. For the last 10 odd years you were happy that cathay and dragon were separate companies whilst you enjoyed your separate and greater annual leave, housing and block hour pay etc. And if you wanted to come over to cathay during that time and accept a pay cut the door was open through the offer of direct entry Fos.
Don't now go claiming that we are one airline and that you should have the jobs of those who chose to come and throw there eggs in cathay's basket which turned out to be a wise decision
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 07:29
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Ask your DFO what he thinks the future holds.
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 12:00
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let’s not forget the 30 or so Local jobless SO from CX. Are they ready workforce then, should all the expats SO start packing now then.

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Old 4th Apr 2021, 00:42
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I hope it made you happy saying that , I can't find anything that's true in all your fact listing.
We KA boys and girls are not asking to steal your job,
We only want that immigration follows labor and immigration law which says that priority must be given to local workforce like any other country.
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