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Old 11th Apr 2021, 09:37
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plenty of spare cash

Apparently CX are not quite as strapped for cash as they might have us believe. How else can you explain the creation of yet another GM position, and all associated benefits, when traffic levels are down 90%+?
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Old 11th Apr 2021, 09:55
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Dragon Pacific

So what you're basically asking is that these 777 pilots are fired so they can suffer like you? And then when flying picks up maybe, only maybe you might have a chance of getting one of those jobs? You're basically wishing other pilots loose there jobs with out any guarantee you would even 'win' from it by being offered a job.
You sound like a great guy , like the kid at school that when he got in trouble he told on all his class mates so they could get in trouble too
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Old 11th Apr 2021, 10:00
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Probably counting on another huge tax payers “loan” of 40 billion or so. Desperate times call for desperate measures
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Old 11th Apr 2021, 10:45
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Local first is black and white written in GEP. It might not sound pleasant to you, but this is what supposed to be like.
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Old 11th Apr 2021, 14:01
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AScaleHero...

You can’t be A scale, your spelling is definitely B scale or lower 🙄

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Old 11th Apr 2021, 14:36
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Can’t, and is...
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Old 11th Apr 2021, 15:16
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I'm sorry at least I can make an effort in my second language. I'm sure you can't even speak a word of your 3rd wife's local Tagalog. P.S not sure what word you're trying to spell between spelling and definitely.

Anyways back to the topic. On and on another problem go goes without a solution. If they are not even giving visas to those with work duties on the roster is a ruling expected soon to say either A: No more visa extensions in which case those effected will be let go or B: Agreement made with cx, Back to giving normal 2 year visas?
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Old 11th Apr 2021, 15:37
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when someone cant get an extension with rostered duties, how can you expect B to be the outcome. Also, HX cargo is hiring (only for locals) recently without any expansion in fleet tell us something as well
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Old 12th Apr 2021, 00:15
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look, I think everyone’s loosing people to visa problem. HX cargo need to fill the blank as they are maybe flying a lot and no impact. Where as other company find opportunity to get rid of people

very sad but what to do?
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Old 12th Apr 2021, 06:23
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Only thing left to do is:
LOG OFF, CLOCK OFF and OFF

(Also brush up on those English language skills, ELP 4 is the minimum required)
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Old 12th Apr 2021, 13:45
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It seems HKs biz jet pilots have had no trouble renewing their visas or even getting new visas issued. Why the different treatment? Are local redundant pilots not suitable for these positions?
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Old 12th Apr 2021, 14:37
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They have billionaire influential owners.
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Old 12th Apr 2021, 15:13
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many are N registered. This means you can discount a large group of existing local pilots. Also that they have probably not gone after the smaller operators. Just trying to take down the airlines first.
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Old 12th Apr 2021, 17:24
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There's a lot of Biz jet guys out of work too. It has been hit pretty hard. The one's I know of already have PR or are HK citizens, are typed and experienced, but there's just no jobs. It used to be that if you lose your job in corporate you could maybe get a bit of contract work to tide you over and pay the rent, but quarantine has put an end to that. It's pretty miserable at the minute.
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Old 12th Apr 2021, 17:24
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and swire pacific doesn't???? Right........
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Old 13th Apr 2021, 05:17
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Originally Posted by TimeToWhine View Post
Why the different treatment? Are local redundant pilots not suitable for these positions?
- Because it requires a licence that 95% of the time is not a HKCAD licence.
- Because there are dozens of bizjets pilots who lost their jobs and already have PR, pilots that are qualified on type or have proper experience in business aviation (like not flying the same routes over and over and who can manage without the backing of an airline).
- Because operators know that ex-airline guys will complain about not having GDO, not being able to take leave, having to spend 3 months in a row in China, and will probably resign as soon as airlines will restart hiring.

For starters...
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Old 13th Apr 2021, 07:30
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Biz jet pilots are employed by an ac owner not an HR People dept, ability to fit in, get along and not cause trouble counts for a lot. Word of mouth more than me me me gets the job.
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Old 18th Apr 2021, 10:36
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Anyone hearing that immiD have stopped issuing visas altogether regardless of roster? A mate of mine went down to counter 30 with a roster and was told "still processing".
Stopping issuing visas for foreign workers would be a great idea for a jurisdiction that has an unemployment problem in that sector. Cathay Pacific is spending to convert some of their pilots to freighter operations, while local Dragonair pilots, whose cost of conversion to freighter type, would have been the same, have been sacked. CX is receiving money from Hong Kong Government , but CX is using this money for the benefit of foreign pilots, while there are local pilots available and now unemployed.
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Old 18th Apr 2021, 10:53
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All of the conversions thus far to the 747 have gone senior. Not one so far has been forced across because of low seniority they were all voluntary in accordance with the NTC.

The cost wouldn't have been the same to convert a former KA pilot into the Cx 747 fleet as the KA pilot would have been a new hire and would have a much larger and thus expensive training footprint, the ka pilot would do a direct entry FO course which is about 2-3 times bigger than the footprint that a current Cx Boeing pilot does. (777 pilots qualify for a short course conversion into the 747 shorter than what a CX airbus pilot would do)

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Old 18th Apr 2021, 18:44
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My sentiments exactly. At a time when the very existence of the company is being threatened, the Immigration Department should look into the costs of retraining an ex KA pilot vs a current CX 777 pilot. Especially for a business-centric city like Hong Kong, the Immigration Department should (and I'm sure they already have) talk to the airlines to see how currently policies can be carefully applied to save costs for the airlines as LLLQNH has alluded to. It's one thing to have a GEP but it's another thing to blindly apply it and thus doing harm to important companies like CX.
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