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Work Visa renewals

Old 6th Mar 2021, 18:09
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So does anyone actually know the truth about the work permit situation because all this is nonsense. I know for a fact that visas are being extended still, be it for 3 months at a time I know that not one single person has been sent packing because they aren't PR. So anyone have any real facts or information to share?

I gather even Senior management don't know what's happening and have been told to just plan on the status quo until they hear otherwise? Sounds to me like the government just want to sweep it under the rug but are waiting for the next news cycle!
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Old 6th Mar 2021, 18:22
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Flying clog, no apology needed.

Not sure giving up the pax fleet on the eve of winning the battle with Covid is a good idea, as I am sure lots of people want to travel, if not only to escape Hong Kong!

Stay safe, enjoy your flying, it is missed by many.

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Old 6th Mar 2021, 22:28
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cabbages

Thanks; it's open ended, but my guess is it will be a long time before Oz-based Airbus pilots are recalled (or paid). If they were to offer redundancy, I'd be gone tomorrow.
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Old 7th Mar 2021, 09:27
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Donbloc: Doesn't your "contract to age 60" still have the "three months notice on either side" bit ? Brings to mind a colleague & friend of mine who, in the ME took this type of fight (and lost) with his employer for clarity.

The company had ex-pats working on three year contracts. Employees fought for ages to be on 'full career' contracts. Company agreed. So the guys went from three years security to 'open ended' but now with three months notice. Employees thought they had won (!).

The 'Age over 60' was just as farcical. A select few, at age 57, were given conversion courses to keep them until age 65. Catch was ,one year contracts with a three year bond .(honestly !).

Mate fought all of this and while on leave, company failed to renew work/res visa. He got back in on a visit visa. Gotcha ! fired as the company claimed the Ministry was unable to issue a Work/ Res visa on a visit visa. He'd been there 17 years.

Hope you chaps fair better...
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Old 7th Mar 2021, 10:24
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Yes, some contacts are till 60, some are for 3 years then reviewed to see if you’ve been ‘a good boy’ then renewed to 60.

There is a clause for 3 months either side, but, I would think the intention of HR is to use the contract clause that you didn’t keep a valid work visa (even if it’s not your fault).

In all fairness, I would say any company in HK would prefer to hire Local / PR boys, rated etc when the time comes to recruitment. Unfortunately no one is recruiting for now. I don’t think many will recruit for awhile to be honest.

All this was kicked off when KA was unfortunately closed down and quite right the locals / PRs kicked up a fuss for visa renewals.

Now immigration have their knickers on a twist and not renewing visas for guys who have valid contracts and in employment.

Even if companies played a dirty game and got rid of the boys with no visa it doesn’t mean they’ll go out on a Recriitment rampage tomorrow. Especially is they are letting people go as part of a redundancy plan.

Ah well. It’s is what it is till you fight back.

Stay Safe out there chaps...vaccination next week.
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Old 7th Mar 2021, 10:29
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Of course a employment contract will have a 'get out' clause for both sides. Both side have to be protected.

This is Asia not such thing as an iron rice bowl.
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Old 7th Mar 2021, 10:56
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If CX could look beyond the myopic Swire Prince attitude they would have integrated the business of KA and stood down the pilots awaiting a recovery.

The shotgun approach is no different to QR, thinking they will abuse the HK employment laws as they are a big employer in HK. Unfortunately they are not part of the CCP, which is pushing back against the scions of HK.

HK has been an aviation hub for decades with the mainland being one of their biggest markets, but now the mainland is pushing back and creating their own brand of prestige. CX will face a struggle with this new dynamic.
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Old 7th Mar 2021, 11:00
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There is.... if you work for the hk gov and pledge your loyalty to CCP and give up your foreign nationality.....
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 20:16
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When you say “our”, which company are you talking about?
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 21:30
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Can you elaborate on the 3 mo is the final result? So what they just keep giving 3 month extensions or you get one 3 month extension then on your way out you go you can't work here anymore? Very quiet from official channels, potentially massive exposure here for all airlines in Hong Kong.
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 22:25
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This is why they said this week with the results that they weren’t expecting any more job cuts. They don’t need to cut jobs, the visa issue will do it for them.
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 23:41
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And ask for more closed loop volunteers, while leaving the Australians, many whom have PR and the right to work in HKG unpaid.
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 02:45
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The company would prefer that they use their leave and long-leave up. They would of course get paid for that.
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 05:09
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Yep, that won’t take long..........gee maybe they could ask the same of HK crew too, now there’s a thought....
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 06:10
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I think they've already done that, but what about the other bases?
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Old 17th Mar 2021, 16:04
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A friend of mine (non-aviation worker) was unable to renew her Visa because she is a holder of a UK passport. Seems the UK/CCP spat just went up a level
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 11:24
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Any updates on the visa renewal issue ?
Any pilot actually been denied a visa and sent packing ?
All I’ve heard is that pilots that have had to apply for visa renewal in February, are still waiting for a reply from immigration but no actual denials yet.
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 23:41
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The official line is that “it is being handled at the highest level.” What does that mean. Anyone’s guess. Probably that the directors of the company are involved. So either, not even they can get any traction on this or it’s not really a priority.

I suspect that soon as HKG is drawn willingly or otherwise in to mainlands embrace things will change. Having a large base of foreigners in a Chinese city does not enhance “social harmony and cohesion”, which means if you try to undermine our power base we are going to mess you up.

Look at all the comments from high level officials about black hand involvement in HKG’s political unrest. Foreigners will increasingly be seen as a threat. If you have a US, Australian, Canadian, Kiwi, British passport (Five eyes countries) good luck with a visa.

Start offshoring your assets because there’s an ill wind starting to blow in from the North.
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 02:22
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you forgot the main criteria: you hv to be enthic Chinese.
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 02:25
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Foreigners will increasingly be seen as a threat.
They used the word "unreliable" interesting choice of word eh..
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