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Old 4th Nov 2020, 10:47
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"We are all now POW's."

Wrong - POW's had rights - you're all in a Concentration Camp for the foreseeable future - no way out, no rights, no say and no-one outside is at all interested in you

But you do have a job flying aeroplanes - which is probably better than delivering pizza to keep your family
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Old 4th Nov 2020, 10:49
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We do have a way out, in 25 months.
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Old 4th Nov 2020, 10:55
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Pilots, cabin crew get together to take on Cathay
https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/compone...6-20201104.htm

Only 8 months too late, bunch of clowns !
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Old 4th Nov 2020, 14:58
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2 years? Do you have a no layoff clause ? A lot riding on return of travel which , if it happens, will be slow .
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Old 4th Nov 2020, 14:59
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Originally Posted by Oddball77 View Post
Fact that you've already signed over to COS 18 says it all.
You know what frustrates me more than the actions of the company?
The actions and words of my colleagues!

Contrary to popular (and STW’s) belief, I and probably cxorcist have not and will not sign across to pos18. (How many times and how wrong can one person be?).

Based on oddball’s statement, people who signed across to pos18, should just STFU.
I’m willing to put a bet in that if cxorcist or I will keep posting about the state of the cx union, we will also be told to STFU, because we have obviously lost our right to comment on a company we are no longer a part of.

May the odds be forever in your favour. Idiots!
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Old 4th Nov 2020, 15:29
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Im glad you have a healthy dose of humility!....too funny
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 02:01
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Piet, you are based, right ? ;-)
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 02:43
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In this "total war", who is the enemy? Management, right? Management is hired by the board. The board is appointed by shareholders. Are shareholders the enemy too?

But please look at what shareholders did in the last few months. They knew there would be no dividend for quite a while. Yet they put in new capital of over HK$10 billion in the company. There is no guarantee they will get it back. Part of that money has been used to pay employees.

If shareholders did not put in new capital, I don't think the government would save the company by itself.

Employers and employees bargain or fight for a bigger share of any business. But it's not a war. If any side does things like it's a war, both sides lose.
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 03:40
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong View Post
Piet, you are based, right ? ;-)
As I said: “How many times and how wrong can one person be?”
Keep fishing buddy. Almost there.
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 04:43
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Well, then you just saved the company 1.6 M

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Old 5th Nov 2020, 05:37
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And your point?
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 05:44
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So, it seems rumors of slightly under 99 percent signed over. What I would like to know is, all those top scale guys that have signed over to ‘cos18’, that have openly ripped the junior guys apart for ‘accepting substandard contracts’ in the past, how does it feel to be classified a hypocrite?
for the just over 1 percent that never did, good on you for sticking to your guns.
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 06:47
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HUGE difference fly1981, huge.
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 06:54
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Please enlighten us Master Clog?
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 06:56
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Didn't see it posted so
Signed
- 2,613 pilots (98.5%) - 7,346 cabin crew (91.6%)
Refused
- 40 pilots (1.5%) - 674 cabin crew (8.4%)
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 06:58
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Originally Posted by Flying Clog View Post
HUGE difference fly1981, huge.
how? Those junior guys were taking the only option available to them, exactly the same as you are?
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 07:05
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The only option for these junior pilots was to come to Cathay undermining our contracts? There were NO other jobs out there in 2018-2019? Cathay lapped them up, and you can't blame Cathay - if pilots with virtually no experience were willing to undercut current cx pilots, then great, welcome aboard!

In the current circumstances, there are NO jobs out there to go to. So those of us forced onto COS18 have to choose between unemployment and never flying again once they become uncurrent (12 months), or sign over to COS18.

There is a wee bit of difference there me thinks.
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 07:13
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Clog you are right on the money. The second you lose your job in this current environment your career has ended unless you find something within a reasonably short amount of time. The minute your aircraft/instrument rating lapses as an expat no one will touch you. No flight within last 12 months and no contracting company will want to know who you are.

Maybe you can head home to an airline but I am near certain they are not going to be hiring for most. Train and Truck drivers seem to be the pathway for many going ahead. It really is a desolate reality out there.

We had no choice but to lay down and accept the beating.
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 07:35
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you have no idea what options were available to them, nor do I, the fact that they chose the contract tells me there were not to many options available to them, exactly the same as the remaining cx pilots, your option is to sign, keep your job, or don’t sign, loose your job. Their option was to accept the contract, secure the job, don’t accept the contract, someone else will. If there were better options available to them, I’m sure they would have taken them, again, exactly the same as anyone who signed over to the new cos.
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 10:53
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Fly1981 What's the difference? One is being forced to jump into lifeboat in the middle of the Atlantic when your cruise ship hit an iceberg. The second is trying to cross the Atlantic in a lifeboat.

If that is what you want to do, then fine. But don't take joy in others misfortune.
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