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Old 12th Nov 2020, 05:04
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Correct controlled rest and STW, exactly that. Will be a step down, but much closer to home. After all, that's the reason we put up with CX and HKG all these years. The bucket of money and perks outweighed the aggro and distance from 'home'..

No more.
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 06:49
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Will see. In the end talk is cheap. The few brave ones have left already, those still here by now will find another excuse in two years. Most of us will be in for a shock realizing just how bad the package at that LCC actually is, and I am not talking only about the money.

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Old 12th Nov 2020, 08:10
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Either you like living in Hong Kong or you do not.

If you do not - and the compensation package doesn't weight up for that - then you leave.

If you like living here, then this is the going rate.

That's been the deal for the last 75 years.
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 08:25
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I agree that there is much more to a job than the money. There is the roster and control over it, the layovers, where you get to live, the people you work with and the culture of the whole operation (are they good operators or an accident waiting to happen)....there is also an old concept of entering into an agreement and keeping your word. CX (with support of the Hong Kong govn) have arse raped us. I'm leaving when a good gig comes up and approaching my exit there will be delayed or canceled flights in expensive cities.
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 08:38
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Of course there will....you tough old keyboard warrior.
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 12:24
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I wouldn’t hold your breath.
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Old 15th Nov 2020, 04:07
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“When a good gig comes up”
Bwahahahaha
What I love about CX pilots, they have no idea what the rest of the aviation industry is paying. Jobs in the sandpit have been paying less and less since the late 1990s. China contract jobs getting harder and harder. Someone is in for a bit of a shock.
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Old 15th Nov 2020, 04:20
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We're all in this industry together trying to make the most of it as pilots.

When the top paying jobs conditions are reduced we all lose 1 way or another.

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Old 15th Nov 2020, 04:51
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T&C industry wide have been on a downward spiral for over 2 decades. Are you suggesting everybody refuses to take flying jobs and forces better pay? Bwahahahaha
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Old 16th Nov 2020, 00:11
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Best post in a long while !
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Old 16th Nov 2020, 01:47
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Nice story, and good on you, but not sure if it is a realistic option for older captains with bills to pay (me).

Direct-entry command maybe, but will they be available? And on what terms? What base?

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Old 16th Nov 2020, 03:10
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Just sell one of your many apartments to pay those bills.
Wasn’t it you who said we should think in solutions, not in problems?
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Old 16th Nov 2020, 04:03
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I don't understand your hostility, Piet. You must see you are projecting your anger. I am not responsible for your misery, get that out of your sysyem. I am just honest. Money and rank is important to me, as it is for a lot of other guys. And I am looking for a solution, every day.

I will not trade my left hand seat for a right hand seat in a LCC, even if it is (closer) to home, and I doubt a lot of other guys will. This is not only about money, but also life-style, choice of base etc. Don't pretend it is a no-brainer to leave CX as a senior guy.
The market has changed, direct entry positions might be not be available any more even if hiring re-starts. They probably will hire their ex-captains first, if at all. I also would recommend you check the salary, work patterns and basing rules at those LCC, you might be in for a shock.

PS I am confused you are still in here. Didn't you say you would not sign over?

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Old 16th Nov 2020, 04:31
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And that had always been your problem: you have failed to understand and empathise with people in different sutuations than your own.
My anger comes from people like you who are willing to sell their soul and colleagues down the river for a few pieces of silver.
You bragged about being filthy rich on numerous occasions and now disparage people who are willing to see the forest beyond the trees.

Also, as expected , you deny me (and others) the right to post on fragrant harbour, because “they didn’t sign over”.
I would think people who have left can offer a unique perspective having been inside and looking from the outside in.
Feel free to ignore my inputs, but I will certainly not stand idly by while you are forcing your one-sided views on the younger generation.

You can rest a little easier however: you and I will never share a flightdeck any more.

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Old 16th Nov 2020, 04:54
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Are you actually reading my posts? In your blind anger you are creating a fictious villain in your brain, nothing of what you said is remotely true.

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