When are the layoffs starting?
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When are the layoffs starting?
How long can we keep going on paying 32000 staff without income?
Perhaps a good time to clean house and get rid of some dead wood.
There will be no bailout for us, no government help plan.
3 weeks voluntary unpaid leave so far, but no new plans.
Perhaps a good time to clean house and get rid of some dead wood.
There will be no bailout for us, no government help plan.
3 weeks voluntary unpaid leave so far, but no new plans.
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Last in, First out is by far the best option:
A) no matter what’s the number of redundancies, those at the bottom would want to come back when hiring starts again, and are cheaper to re-qualify.
B) you really need to keep the senior staff, especially trainers to be ready to do the task in A above.
C) if you offer voluntary Redundancies, you have no idea who’s gonna take it, so you could loose all in B above.
A) no matter what’s the number of redundancies, those at the bottom would want to come back when hiring starts again, and are cheaper to re-qualify.
B) you really need to keep the senior staff, especially trainers to be ready to do the task in A above.
C) if you offer voluntary Redundancies, you have no idea who’s gonna take it, so you could loose all in B above.
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Last in, First out is by far the best option:
A) no matter what’s the number of redundancies, those at the bottom would want to come back when hiring starts again, and are cheaper to re-qualify.
B) you really need to keep the senior staff, especially trainers to be ready to do the task in A above.
C) if you offer voluntary Redundancies, you have no idea who’s gonna take it, so you could loose all in B above.
A) no matter what’s the number of redundancies, those at the bottom would want to come back when hiring starts again, and are cheaper to re-qualify.
B) you really need to keep the senior staff, especially trainers to be ready to do the task in A above.
C) if you offer voluntary Redundancies, you have no idea who’s gonna take it, so you could loose all in B above.
The best method would be offering decent packages to those close to retirement, they would be leaving soon anyway. Make way for the guys who have longer left in this game!
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Good heavens.
The lay-off and recall procedures are clearly defined in the COS:CA/EA/CBAs.
These are legal in every jurisdiction where passed and supersede any guesswork. They follow the master common seniority list and that’s that.
Now there COULD be a scheme of early retirement or semi-paid leave negotiated and offered which makes less need for lay-off. But if and when they start there isn’t much question on what the contracts require to happen.
The lay-off and recall procedures are clearly defined in the COS:CA/EA/CBAs.
These are legal in every jurisdiction where passed and supersede any guesswork. They follow the master common seniority list and that’s that.
Now there COULD be a scheme of early retirement or semi-paid leave negotiated and offered which makes less need for lay-off. But if and when they start there isn’t much question on what the contracts require to happen.
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From: the land of chocolate
A's newsletter.... basically nothing new under the sun.
Burning 2 billion a month and no new action.
Force more unpaid leave or we find ourselves on the street at the end of the year, none of this pussyfooting around.
It's not going to turn around any time soon. 4000 pilots when we need 200, same with the cabin crew.
It's time to act.
Burning 2 billion a month and no new action.
Force more unpaid leave or we find ourselves on the street at the end of the year, none of this pussyfooting around.
It's not going to turn around any time soon. 4000 pilots when we need 200, same with the cabin crew.
It's time to act.
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A's newsletter.... basically nothing new under the sun.
Burning 2 billion a month and no new action.
Force more unpaid leave or we find ourselves on the street at the end of the year, none of this pussyfooting around.
It's not going to turn around any time soon. 4000 pilots when we need 200, same with the cabin crew.
It's time to act.
Burning 2 billion a month and no new action.
Force more unpaid leave or we find ourselves on the street at the end of the year, none of this pussyfooting around.
It's not going to turn around any time soon. 4000 pilots when we need 200, same with the cabin crew.
It's time to act.
Early retirement package; probably 2 years - ish pay with insurance or perhaps 3 without. For tax and cash flow purposes this could be paid monthly over the term. Clean break.
6 months to 12 months leave at half salary retaining seniority, a portion of vacation leave, and insurance
3 months unpaid leave retaining benefits and insurance.
Give it a few weeks for takers and let the layoffs begin.
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From: the land of chocolate
I would probably suggest choice of
Early retirement package; probably 2 years - ish pay with insurance or perhaps 3 without. For tax and cash flow purposes this could be paid monthly over the term. Clean break.
6 months to 12 months leave at half salary retaining seniority, a portion of vacation leave, and insurance
3 months unpaid leave retaining benefits and insurance.
Give it a few weeks for takers and let the layoffs begin.
Early retirement package; probably 2 years - ish pay with insurance or perhaps 3 without. For tax and cash flow purposes this could be paid monthly over the term. Clean break.
6 months to 12 months leave at half salary retaining seniority, a portion of vacation leave, and insurance
3 months unpaid leave retaining benefits and insurance.
Give it a few weeks for takers and let the layoffs begin.
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From: the land of chocolate
quantas standing down 20000 staff.
air canada awaits bailout, cuts 5000 staff, and that’s only after two weeks. We’ve been at it for over two months.
We must have bags of cash. Then what’s the point in burning through it?