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When are the layoffs starting?

Old 20th Mar 2020, 14:52
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Originally Posted by reazasassain View Post
No one is going to mention the big elephant in the room?

Housing in the form of Arapa and HKPA. both policies that can be amended from time to time. Just saying.
get the other 50 percent of the pilots to accept unpaid leave first, kinda stupid that it was voluntary anyway.


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Old 20th Mar 2020, 16:01
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Can I ask..what makes any of you think you’re worth more..

than let go with 3 months pay... for no reason.
Absolutely in accordance with COS.

No last in/first out.. (was in my COS at the time .. but easily superseded but let go with no reason.)

It’s over. Music stopped. Atleast half of KA/CX will be off pay in days. Here’s 3 months.

Goodbye. Anyone who has worked in Swire long enough knows that.

CX May continue as a much tighter airlines; sans A/B scale.


What cost Swire the least? Long term buyout? Or 3 months... no reason ????
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Old 20th Mar 2020, 20:43
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I do not think we are worth “more”, simply worth what is agreed to in the contract of employment when it comes to what would obviously be a “redundancy” situation.
You are scaremongering and it is shameful.
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Old 20th Mar 2020, 20:53
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The cargo operation is critical to CX maintaining any revenue stream and it will be oversubscribed during this downturn. Your speculation does not take into account that CX can not afford anyone from the most senior CN to the most junior SO to leave the 747 fleet. How does that sit with your mass lay-off scaremongering?
Layoff all the cabin crew as they don’t fly freighters? Lay-off the 777 only because they burn more fuel than the Airbus? Lay-off the office staff working with pax relationships/sales?
Everybody, especially Swire, knows that the airlines that make it through this event will emerge to an open slather of minimal competition and maximum demand. Layoffs at this time serves no purpose for the future and will be a last resort.
Start thinking of some more creative ideas to mothball the company, stop this incessant scaremongering.
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Old 21st Mar 2020, 00:30
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I’d like to see more unpaid leave, what are they doing all day in kitty city?
Whatever it is, it’s not making money.
I’d like to see us conserve cash.
ofcourse freighter has to continue flying and make money, but apparently that business is down too if you read A’s letter.

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Old 21st Mar 2020, 02:14
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Originally Posted by Oasis View Post
I’d like to see more unpaid leave, what are they doing all day in kitty city?
Whatever it is, it’s not making money.
I’d like to see us conserve cash.
ofcourse freighter has to continue flying and make money, but apparently that business is down too if you read A’s letter.
it makes sense that the overall volume of cargo is down as much of it was being carried in the belly holds of passenger aircraft. However more than enough air freight to keep the dedicated freighter aircraft full and busy.
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Old 21st Mar 2020, 15:12
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AS said only 5% of schedules will run next month.
Let’s say there’s 3500 pilots who normally operate the 100% schedule.
Therefore, you only need 175 pilots to operate the 5%. OK, let’s be generous, 500 pilots needed.
What’s the other 3000 pilots going to do?
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Old 21st Mar 2020, 15:46
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They will all sit on reserve, because you can’t be seen to enjoy your time off.
Has it ever been different?
But please help out the company when they need you to.
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Old 21st Mar 2020, 15:48
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Can we start by laying off that new cock womble on the 777, hasn't even checked to line but feels that he needs to video himself and post it all over social media. If you're reading this, please grow up!!!!!!!
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Old 21st Mar 2020, 16:50
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Originally Posted by Farman Biplane View Post
I do not think we are worth “more”, simply worth what is agreed to in the contract of employment when it comes to what would obviously be a “redundancy” situation.
You are scaremongering and it is shameful.
No.. I’ve just seen them lie to me before about housing etc. I didn’t like it and left. Many of my friends are still employees of Swire. I’m only encouraging everyone to be realistic based on past corporate behaviour.

They fired several of my friends, and Greg killed himself. I know what Cathay (Swire) is capable of. I’m not fear mongering. It’s real.
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Old 21st Mar 2020, 19:56
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I doubt there will be any layoffs. It simply isn't CX's style. There will alway be guys who can and will take extended unpaid,
to support the cause. Anyone who has sold their house in the last 2 years will be able to stand aside.

With the us$ so strong, now is the time to re patriate and let the juniors take over the reigns .
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Old 21st Mar 2020, 21:03
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Originally Posted by illtellyouhowitis View Post
Can we start by laying off that new cock womble on the 777, hasn't even checked to line but feels that he needs to video himself and post it all over social media. If you're reading this, please grow up!!!!!!!
Pray tell...
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Old 21st Mar 2020, 22:30
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Originally Posted by TimeToWhine View Post
Pray tell...
You guys are seriously dilutional. As someone who left after a decade at CX, and spent time on various CG committees, this time around there is nothing to salvage but a payroll cheque.
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Old 22nd Mar 2020, 00:24
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For god”s sake read your COS. Three months notice is triggered under specific provisions. Poor company accounts is not one of them.
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Old 22nd Mar 2020, 00:28
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I'd be worried if I was one of the SO's that Cathay so graciously hand a P2X type rating as to tie them to the airline. All the young guys and gals with all of a bee's knob of experience between them, who's hours count for squat in the real world.

Imagine entering Cathay with all of 400 hours single engine piston (maybe even a couple of multi hours in a Duchess), hand held, flying around in these large, sophisticated aircraft to only be let go and realising that any and all experience accrued counted for nothing. I don't agree with what Cathay does to these young people and when layoffs occur, its those who are most vulnerable that feel it the worst.

Reality cheque please.
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Old 22nd Mar 2020, 00:52
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If there’s a funny side to all this it’s the Oz base who fought tooth and nail for a decade to get complete autonomy from Hong Kong, own seniority, own command slots and couldn’t help but tell you how bullet proof their contract was.
If layoffs are coming I imagine they’ll now do a 180 and be yelling for their Hong Kong seniority and if it’s that easy to lay-off 2/3 of QF they’ll be wondering how wonderful their contract really is. Same as anywhere else maybe?
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Old 22nd Mar 2020, 01:54
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Pickuptruck. Not true.
The Aussie EA has a redundancy clause that specifically states it will be done as per the CX Worldwide ASL.
Also as far as I'm aware, QF has 'stood down' staff, and has not layed them off...yet.
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Old 22nd Mar 2020, 09:42
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Bloody hell....
”dilutional”????
”reality Cheque”????

you’d better spell check your delusional reality check!!!!
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Old 22nd Mar 2020, 10:13
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Originally Posted by BlunderBus View Post
Bloody hell....
”dilutional”????
”reality Cheque”????

you’d better spell check your delusional reality check!!!!
Mine was more a pun old chap.
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Old 22nd Mar 2020, 11:19
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Originally Posted by BlunderBus View Post
Bloody hell....
”dilutional”????
”reality Cheque”????

you’d better spell check your delusional reality check!!!!
Could be deliberate in a tongue in cheek,sardonic way etc...
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