When are the layoffs starting?
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Do the math, there is no need for this if you understand the company’s plans. If your in the company then you know what their plan is ... if you read the public filings then you know how much cash is on hand. Then add the current cargo rates.
Youd be surprised if you run the figures.
The key is to look not at group numbers but individual airlines.
Oasis, the other thing which I keep circling back to is cash-flow. Yes they have a pile of cash as per the filings, but look at what revenues they have, as long as the cash flow is remotely close to what is was then you can stretch things out for quite sometime.
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CX is really gambling by keeping all these guys at the bottom of the list onboard. Sure, they are a lot cheaper than all the CNs and experienced FOs, but they aren’t free. CX is betting on a strong return in traffic by summer. Otherwise, what the heck are they doing? Sure, you lose a few DEFOs and quite a few SOs off the 747. So what?!?! Get some of those 777 guys on the 747 short course and get on with it...
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CX is really gambling by keeping all these guys at the bottom of the list onboard. Sure, they are a lot cheaper than all the CNs and experienced FOs, but they aren’t free. CX is betting on a strong return in traffic by summer. Otherwise, what the heck are they doing? Sure, you lose a few DEFOs and quite a few SOs off the 747. So what?!?! Get some of those 777 guys on the 747 short course and get on with it...
And sources from the finance/banking industry is that, no one is lending any airlines money these days, and banks have been refusing mortgages for travel industry employee as they deemed too risky.....
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During my morning squat, I did notice KA9401 doing base training in MFM today... obviously not a financially distressed environment.
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Quite unbelievable to see that during these dire times when all departments are meant to be cutting down on costs to the bare extreme that they are still unnecessarily inducting new SOs and doing FO upgrades including expensive base training while the rest of us take a big financial hit.
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Please forgive me if I have misunderstood something fundamental here, but...
I'm curious whether CX/KA has access to enough sim capacity (or indeed whether there is enough sim capacity in the world) to avoid pilots losing their currency if this goes on for, say, 6 months?
Aren't we destined for a world when normality eventually resumes where flights will be severely limited by not having enough pilots qualified to fly?
I'm curious whether CX/KA has access to enough sim capacity (or indeed whether there is enough sim capacity in the world) to avoid pilots losing their currency if this goes on for, say, 6 months?
Aren't we destined for a world when normality eventually resumes where flights will be severely limited by not having enough pilots qualified to fly?
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You have it right Paul. The loss of recency and with expiring IR/PCs by the day the backlog builds up very quickly. In three months half your pilots no longer have a valid licence, and need four hours simulator time to renew. (The time can be reduced by agreement with CAD, which would be forthcoming under the circumstances.)
That is why when the airline gets back to flying it will be a slow ramp up process, not "everybody back on line, yoo hoo!" I don't know how many A350 and 777 sims CX has now but at 6 sessions a day per unit it will take months to get everyone current again.
That is why when the airline gets back to flying it will be a slow ramp up process, not "everybody back on line, yoo hoo!" I don't know how many A350 and 777 sims CX has now but at 6 sessions a day per unit it will take months to get everyone current again.
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From: Gerloz
Please forgive me if I have misunderstood something fundamental here, but...
I'm curious whether CX/KA has access to enough sim capacity (or indeed whether there is enough sim capacity in the world) to avoid pilots losing their currency if this goes on for, say, 6 months?
Aren't we destined for a world when normality eventually resumes where flights will be severely limited by not having enough pilots qualified to fly?
I'm curious whether CX/KA has access to enough sim capacity (or indeed whether there is enough sim capacity in the world) to avoid pilots losing their currency if this goes on for, say, 6 months?
Aren't we destined for a world when normality eventually resumes where flights will be severely limited by not having enough pilots qualified to fly?
Just curious.
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There is no doubt in my mind that any increase to the passenger schedule will be very gradual, both in terms of travel demand and the airlines’ abilities to supply capacity.
Therefore, the last several posts are moot.
Therefore, the last several posts are moot.
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Please forgive me if I have misunderstood something fundamental here, but...
I'm curious whether CX/KA has access to enough sim capacity (or indeed whether there is enough sim capacity in the world) to avoid pilots losing their currency if this goes on for, say, 6 months?
Aren't we destined for a world when normality eventually resumes where flights will be severely limited by not having enough pilots qualified to fly?
I'm curious whether CX/KA has access to enough sim capacity (or indeed whether there is enough sim capacity in the world) to avoid pilots losing their currency if this goes on for, say, 6 months?
Aren't we destined for a world when normality eventually resumes where flights will be severely limited by not having enough pilots qualified to fly?
