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Training ban broken

Old 2nd Apr 2019, 18:00
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Originally Posted by Flex88
It's just not fair that John/Suzy who joined 3 years ago with 200hrs and have no PIC time can't be trainers...

#CXit while you can
Can't wait for the day when we have Senior second officer trainers
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 05:22
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A letter has been doing the rounds on social media coercing Pilotís into signing an understanding that their COS allows CX to force them into training by 5th April.

Have many received this letter?
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 21:17
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Originally Posted by Hugo Peroni the V
A letter has been doing the rounds on social media coercing Pilotís into signing an understanding that their COS allows CX to force them into training by 5th April.

Have many received this letter?
Wonder how many heroes will be queuing up to sign the letter, citing reasons such as Ďoh I had no choice as my family needs the extra moneyí, or ĎI signed it because it suited me, and anyway, I donít mind going into the simí, or ĎYeah I signed it because I donít think itíll make any difference and Iím scared Iíll lose my commandí etc etc.
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Old 9th Apr 2019, 07:35
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Originally Posted by Dan Buster
The very fact that CX needs people to sign this letter against their own COS shows that it is absolute BS.
If your COS legitimately allowed the Company to force you into Training, there would be no need to sign any 'understanding'.
To all that sign this 'understanding', you will be undermining your own COS and the COS of your colleagues.
The old adage 'sign nothing', rings true now more than ever.
Agree 100% Dan!!! Sign nothing and get legal advice.
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Old 12th Apr 2019, 08:42
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Originally Posted by Dilbert68
Agree 100% Dan!!! Sign nothing and get legal advice.
I also heard some pilots may be conscripted into management positions such is the lack of interest.
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Old 12th Apr 2019, 09:42
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Nothing with happen & nothing will change, just like the last five years, maybe a "strongly worded letter from the HKAOA", perhaps one from the company too.
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Old 12th Apr 2019, 10:04
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Originally Posted by stevieboy330
Nothing with happen & nothing will change, just like the last five years, maybe a "strongly worded letter from the HKAOA", perhaps one from the company too.
Yes that'll sort them out - the classic strongly worded letter from the AOA. It's exactly the same tactic that has been used the last 18 times, so it'll be the last thing the company will expect this time. That's the genius of the HKAOA.
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Old 12th Apr 2019, 13:30
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if this is a safety related issue contact the hull insurers and point this out to them. They have the ability to raise premiums/refuse cover based on the increased risk. Could get tricky for CX....

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Old 12th Apr 2019, 13:34
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A strongly worded letter.

However, in the words of General Melchett, "Ha that's the last thing they'd expect so its what we must do"
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Old 1st Jun 2019, 15:00
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I hear that one of the ban breakers who resigned from the AOA to join training, even before people were being "forced", has failed his training upgrade.

Karma is sweet!

Good luck asking for swaps and/or jumpseats. Unless of course you ask "man to man"

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Old 1st Jun 2019, 15:33
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As usual itís left to individuals to take a stand at what amounts to personal risk(as proven countless times in the past)while the rest of you snipe from the sidelines.
And no... Iím not in training.
We are ALL responsible for the outcome here. Nothing will stand up to these guys unless itís a concerted team effort.
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Old 2nd Jun 2019, 00:15
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Which fleet was the upgrade failure on?
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Old 2nd Jun 2019, 00:24
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Originally Posted by BlunderBus
Nothing will stand up to these guys unless itís a concerted team effort.
And therein is the problem. We are incapable of a concerted team effort. I am honestly shocked at some of the names I am seeing going into training.
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Old 2nd Jun 2019, 03:17
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Useless bottom feeding scabs the lot of them. A few names on that list that I would not give command of a wheelbarrow in a sandpit.
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Old 2nd Jun 2019, 09:26
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That's got to hurt... Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.. /s
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Old 2nd Jun 2019, 11:29
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Hey Roy,

Just for you.

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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 03:54
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There are now just under 100 people on the training list. They have more names than positions required. Let’s face it the training ban is no more. The AOA is like the deer in the headlights. As the guys get their letters, they are resigning from the AOA. The company is now offering an alternative loss of income insurance, which will drive even more people to leave. The TB has now become a liability to the AOA, and they have no idea how to get rid of it as some radical GC members, seam to think it still has some leverage. Just about every guy I’m flying with is thinking about quitting the AOA, as it has become totally irrelevant. The SO”s are now looking at 5 years before an upgrade and they are pleased with the increase in training captains, so are a lot of FO”s who are waiting for a command. There is a reason why the AOA is not returning the levy, as they know a lot of members will quit if they do.
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 05:46
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They've broken the potential training ban at KA.

20% + of KA captains applied for advertised positions that, I'm guessing, will only come about if contract compliance is entered into. Actually, appoint all these applicants and contact compliance is broken too.

No wonder they offered such a brazed MFF / pay rise deal. Sign away seniority, your OT and do double the work for 1%. Thankfully, faith restored and this insult voted down convincingly!
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 06:21
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Originally Posted by Gnadenburg
They've broken the potential training ban at KA.

20% + of KA captains applied for advertised positions that, I'm guessing, will only come about if contract compliance is entered into. Actually, appoint all these applicants and contact compliance is broken too.

No wonder they offered such a brazed MFF / pay rise deal. Sign away seniority, your OT and do double the work for 1%. Thankfully, faith restored and this insult voted down convincingly!
Surely time to up the game. If TB is being circumvented then apply FULL CC.
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 07:27
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Originally Posted by unitedabx
Surely time to up the game. If TB is being circumvented then apply FULL CC.
What more could be doing with CC, we already don't answer the phone or acknowledge notifications. I go to work when Im rostered and don't when Im not
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