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FULL CC. Lol. There is no leverage in CC. Leverage is gone. Yet people seem only concerned with their “precious” levy money and who marked up a PDF document highlighting the fact they were idiots. Any momentum instantly disappeared. Own goal. It’s over. We lost. Time to move beyond.
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1. Taxy speed not to exceed 10 kts.
2. No directs enroute.
3. CFP fuel and nothing less.
4. All NOTAMS to be read by every pilot in the crew before flight.
5. No Commanders discretion EVER.
6. Tough night down route then call in fatigued.
7. No RETI.
8. Fly one step below opt.
9. Don't accept or request high speed climbs or descents.
10. Jumpseats released ONLY to pilots.
11. Report to briefing at STD minus 90 minutes at HKG not one minute before.
12. On every TPMS click "for manager attention" and force them to actually read all reports.
13. After your sim don't indulge the likes of JW with two hour debriefs. Walk out after the alloted 30 minutes.
14. Email GBS services every week asking for a reference letter. Or use My Letter if you can.
15. Request your full uniform entitlement.
16. Don't indulge the "scabs" on the flightdeck. Checklists only.
17. Officially, no landings to FO's. This forces them into the sim for landing recency and cloggs the system within weeks.
And thats just off the top of my head. Every little helps.
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During the last CC period the following were in force :
1. Taxy speed not to exceed 10 kts.
2. No directs enroute.
3. CFP fuel and nothing less.
4. All NOTAMS to be read by every pilot in the crew before flight.
5. No Commanders discretion EVER.
6. Tough night down route then call in fatigued.
7. No RETI.
8. Fly one step below opt.
9. Don't accept or request high speed climbs or descents.
10. Jumpseats released ONLY to pilots.
11. Report to briefing at STD minus 90 minutes at HKG not one minute before.
12. On every TPMS click "for manager attention" and force them to actually read all reports.
13. After your sim don't indulge the likes of JW with two hour debriefs. Walk out after the alloted 30 minutes.
14. Email GBS services every week asking for a reference letter. Or use My Letter if you can.
15. Request your full uniform entitlement.
16. Don't indulge the "scabs" on the flightdeck. Checklists only.
17. Officially, no landings to FO's. This forces them into the sim for landing recency and cloggs the system within weeks.
And thats just off the top of my head. Every little helps.
1. Taxy speed not to exceed 10 kts.
2. No directs enroute.
3. CFP fuel and nothing less.
4. All NOTAMS to be read by every pilot in the crew before flight.
5. No Commanders discretion EVER.
6. Tough night down route then call in fatigued.
7. No RETI.
8. Fly one step below opt.
9. Don't accept or request high speed climbs or descents.
10. Jumpseats released ONLY to pilots.
11. Report to briefing at STD minus 90 minutes at HKG not one minute before.
12. On every TPMS click "for manager attention" and force them to actually read all reports.
13. After your sim don't indulge the likes of JW with two hour debriefs. Walk out after the alloted 30 minutes.
14. Email GBS services every week asking for a reference letter. Or use My Letter if you can.
15. Request your full uniform entitlement.
16. Don't indulge the "scabs" on the flightdeck. Checklists only.
17. Officially, no landings to FO's. This forces them into the sim for landing recency and cloggs the system within weeks.
And thats just off the top of my head. Every little helps.
You realise most of your fellow pilots are laughing at your list right now? Get real, the company has found ways around CC, and we get no leverage out of it.
Report on time, do your work like a true professional. When fatigued, then call it a day. But your version of CC does no justice to the pilot profession.
We really are our worst enemies.
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Not only that the list has zero items that bring pressure to bear on the company. They are all easily circumvented with a change in the manuals or only serve to antagonize fellow employees. My favorite is the requesting letters. They could employ 3000 letter writers and still save money by not giving us what we want. All those items might make us feel better, but they don’t do anything to achieve the goal.
The reality is that we have one move left. And it isn’t to change the make-up of the GC or tweak the rules. We all know what it is, but nobody is going to do it.
The reality is that we have one move left. And it isn’t to change the make-up of the GC or tweak the rules. We all know what it is, but nobody is going to do it.
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Not only that the list has zero items that bring pressure to bear on the company. They are all easily circumvented with a change in the manuals or only serve to antagonize fellow employees. My favorite is the requesting letters. They could employ 3000 letter writers and still save money by not giving us what we want. All those items might make us feel better, but they don’t do anything to achieve the goal.
The reality is that we have one move left. And it isn’t to change the make-up of the GC or tweak the rules. We all know what it is, but nobody is going to do it.
The reality is that we have one move left. And it isn’t to change the make-up of the GC or tweak the rules. We all know what it is, but nobody is going to do it.
Oh and 10 of those points listed came directly out of the Delta Airlines union "guidelines for CC" and I think they are treated pretty well these days.
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In reference to all above, the nihilism and apathy among nearly all CX flight crew and in particular the AOA GC is palpable..!!
As you sow, so shall you reap !
#CXit
As you sow, so shall you reap !
#CXit
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Is rather follow that list, then give up like most of you over here. Not a lot of fight in you, oh well... why don’t you step aside, let others carry your burden...
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And how’s that working out? Apart from your brave posts of what a hero you are on an anonymous forum, what have you actually managed to achieve with 4 years of ‘pretending’ to be the man when it comes to contract compliance? I suspect the list of victories is a very short one. (I’ve stoically followed the game plan...just can’t see what keeping on following that plan will do apart from hurt ourselves and let sub-standard volunteers into training).
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And how’s that working out? Apart from your brave posts of what a hero you are on an anonymous forum, what have you actually managed to achieve with 4 years of ‘pretending’ to be the man when it comes to contract compliance? I suspect the list of victories is a very short one. (I’ve stoically followed the game plan...just can’t see what keeping on following that plan will do apart from hurt ourselves and let sub-standard volunteers into training).
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United, I don't think the only 2 options are "giving up" or "staying the course".
In some cases (like this one), "not giving up" means doing the same sh!t over and over for decades thinking it's making a difference to the management. Surely we are smarter than that?! Many, many years of "not giving up" while watching management not only change but actually grow little children into our current managers!
There is a better course, but it involves canceling everything, regrouping and starting again, something that our "cult" or "religious" system will simply not allow.
In some cases (like this one), "not giving up" means doing the same sh!t over and over for decades thinking it's making a difference to the management. Surely we are smarter than that?! Many, many years of "not giving up" while watching management not only change but actually grow little children into our current managers!
There is a better course, but it involves canceling everything, regrouping and starting again, something that our "cult" or "religious" system will simply not allow.
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Far from it. I’m just saying the plan isn’t working and we are losing and suffering as a result. Einstein once said that insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result and that is exactly what we are doing.
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OK4Wire and Hugo Peroni the V have this absolutely spot on.
How long can the AOA keep doing the same thing over and over and over and still accept getting regularly shafted by a giant pineapple?
How long can the AOA keep doing the same thing over and over and over and still accept getting regularly shafted by a giant pineapple?
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you know what is insanity?
i just read the aoa negotiations update.
-they are still saying there is no more money
-we can get a pay increase to match inflation, but only if we increase productivity. so in other words, for us to make the same amount of money in real terms, we have to work harder. All the while, pilots are leaving in droves..
And you know your yearly increase does not even come close to inflation....
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There are a number of very talented pilots who would make excellent training captains but have not put their names forward out of respect for the TB . Yet sadly there are so many that are perfectly content to screw over their fellow pilots.
The AOA can only achieve any improvements if the pilot group are all prepared to back them yet this lot are undermining their efforts
The AOA can only achieve any improvements if the pilot group are all prepared to back them yet this lot are undermining their efforts
