Engagement survey....
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From: Not in a Bus
My last post on doing, or not doing the engagement survey. 2 points:-
1) I already have a punchbag, but you misunderstand; I don’t feel frustrated filling in the engagement survey. It’s honestly quite hilarious knowing that for some unfathomable reason, you’re being gifted an opportunity to point out, in detail, how terrible things are, in the full knowledge that it’s mandated that those views have to be made public! Of course, in isolation it won’t suddenly solve all the problems, but our resistance method has been to apply death by a 1000 cuts. For the majority of players (by definition) who sit in the middle of the bell curve of opinion, the rhetoric on Prune, the forums etc can potentially be dismissed as being from the more extreme in their views, For anyone (not talking about myself) lacking conviction, to know that the terrible results of the survey come from roughly half of the entire pilot body must embolden them to continue CC, vote No etc. I would at least think that those of you with reservations on the principle of engaging would welcome any strengthening of the masses resolve?
2) Unitedabx - you spelt/spelled, (take your geographical pick), “...f***k...” incorrectly.
1) I already have a punchbag, but you misunderstand; I don’t feel frustrated filling in the engagement survey. It’s honestly quite hilarious knowing that for some unfathomable reason, you’re being gifted an opportunity to point out, in detail, how terrible things are, in the full knowledge that it’s mandated that those views have to be made public! Of course, in isolation it won’t suddenly solve all the problems, but our resistance method has been to apply death by a 1000 cuts. For the majority of players (by definition) who sit in the middle of the bell curve of opinion, the rhetoric on Prune, the forums etc can potentially be dismissed as being from the more extreme in their views, For anyone (not talking about myself) lacking conviction, to know that the terrible results of the survey come from roughly half of the entire pilot body must embolden them to continue CC, vote No etc. I would at least think that those of you with reservations on the principle of engaging would welcome any strengthening of the masses resolve?
2) Unitedabx - you spelt/spelled, (take your geographical pick), “...f***k...” incorrectly.
Last edited by White None; 10th March 2019 at 03:15.
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From: No where
Green Dragon, sure, everything is just fine here. No resignation problem whatsoever. That is why they can't even allocate half the required leave this year, and why they are having to put in more and more reserve on the roster, and why they are desperate to get rid of the TB. I could go on, but according to you things are just dandy, so why should I bother. CX has NEVER been better. It's all just unsubstantiated baloney.
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From: CLK
A functioning, well led, HKAOA would wait till the survey comes out, copy the questions and do the survey on the HKAOA website, encouraging 100% participation rate by members, analyse the “true” data and “sell” it back to the company!
However, it seems the GC and membership are intent on bickering and backstabbing instead.
However, it seems the GC and membership are intent on bickering and backstabbing instead.
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From: Australia
Never thought it could happen. Didn't believe it when I saw it. But yes, this is where we have gone.
Let's make 25 March a day to meditate and NOT aviate, navigate or even communicate.
I feel new uniforms on the way...lots of orange flowing stuff and free begging bowls and a bell.
You can't make this taurus excretus up...it must come with an Oxford primer.
Let's get a bunch of Max8's or a bag of Nembutal.
Let's make 25 March a day to meditate and NOT aviate, navigate or even communicate.
I feel new uniforms on the way...lots of orange flowing stuff and free begging bowls and a bell.
You can't make this taurus excretus up...it must come with an Oxford primer.
Let's get a bunch of Max8's or a bag of Nembutal.
Joined: Sep 2014
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From: Asia
No more engaging with engagement surveys
I have always filled in their BS surveys, but never again. “How would the DFO begin his email?” Indeed. There couldn’t be a stronger message sent.
DFO:
”I’m reporting that precisely no pilots filled in the 2020 employee engagement survey. Ummmm.........”
Deer in the headlights.
DFO:
”I’m reporting that precisely no pilots filled in the 2020 employee engagement survey. Ummmm.........”
Deer in the headlights.
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From: www
Regarding the survey, I hope not a single pilot submits. As for promoting a Buddhist monk and the message he has, well, I am sure that CX is soon to invite a devout Christian to also provide a positive message, then they can have a follow up by someone from the "religion of peace". This is just another piece of evidence that this airline is finished, and that our management have lost the plot. I barely get enough time with my family as it is without wasting another minute of it listening to someone that thinks I have the same value as a beetle (I know, that's exactly what our management value me at!). Seriously CK and RH, would you two get some medication and grow up? This is now passing from tragedy to farce, and YOU are the cause of it.
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From: HK-CRoC
Apathy
Exactly Slasher. If 18% participation rate is anywhere near correct, almost all of that group are likely to be clerks who feel it's their duty to log off from their eBay and Amazon accounts for 5 minutes in the hope they are not on the next group of 7/800 to get canned...
That way,"Caring Company" gets a good result in the survey from the perfect demographic.. Win win.
#CXit
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From: No where
I've wasted enough of my life completing worthless CX surveys. They obviously haven't listened to a single thing we've told them so why bother. I'd rather they learn the lesson by finding a way to deal with the exponentially increasing resignation rate. That's one "answer" to a question they can't keep ignoring.
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From: HK
Regarding the survey, I hope not a single pilot submits. As for promoting a Buddhist monk and the message he has, well, I am sure that CX is soon to invite a devout Christian to also provide a positive message, then they can have a follow up by someone from the "religion of peace". This is just another piece of evidence that this airline is finished, and that our management have lost the plot. I barely get enough time with my family as it is without wasting another minute of it listening to someone that thinks I have the same value as a beetle (I know, that's exactly what our management value me at!). Seriously CK and RH, would you two get some medication and grow up? This is now passing from tragedy to farce, and YOU are the cause of it.
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From: uk
It is very clear that senior management have lost sight of the simple fact that they "run" an airline not an internet or social media platform. These kind of lectures and forums are fine if you are on the cutting edge of employee/ employer strategies but CX and Swires remain in the last century in this regard and no Budhist Monk is going to change that.
"Manage the airline and the rest will follow".
"Manage the airline and the rest will follow".
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From: Asia
It is very clear that senior management have lost sight of the simple fact that they "run" an airline not an internet or social media platform. These kind of lectures and forums are fine if you are on the cutting edge of employee/ employer strategies but CX and Swires remain in the last century in this regard and no Budhist Monk is going to change that.
"Manage the airline and the rest will follow".
"Manage the airline and the rest will follow".
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From: Hong Kong
Let’s be realistic if we COULD get ever pilot not to fill it in then great. BUT not all pilots are AOA members those non members drink the coolaid and will fill in the survey and only give glowing responses, some AOA members are just members to fit in on the flight deck they don’t even follow CC. So the reality is they will always get some responses. We don’t want those few to give them the wrong impression.
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From: Asia
I would say that if and when the 20% fill out the next survey and say everything is great, the contrast between that and the last 2 surveys and the 20% turn out itself would still send the right message. ie (almost) nobody cares.
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From: hongkong
The overwhelming majority of crew just told them to shove their proposed contract where the sun don’t shine and they need MORE info on how everyone feels???? After what? 4 years of nonstop industrial action why not ask some sensible and relevant questions?? Oh I know .. why not ask the YYZ base cabin crew how they feel??