Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Worldwide > Fragrant Harbour
Reload this Page >

Dont Apply To Cathay

Fragrant Harbour A forum for the large number of pilots (expats and locals) based with the various airlines in Hong Kong. Air Traffic Controllers are also warmly welcomed into the forum.

Dont Apply To Cathay

Old 16th Jan 2019, 07:12
  #61 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: uk
Posts: 511
Originally Posted by mngmt mole View Post
...”endured such silliness “...?? Would rather be back enduring that “silliness “ than the mindless incompetence and pointlessness of the current era. At least the managers back then still stood up for their pilots.
Totally agree. back then the managers were pilots first and managers second. They could all fly and loved flying. Contrast this with the bunch we have now. Most are well below average flyingwise( look how many only got commands on their second attempt ) and fly as little as possible prefering to sit at a desk and micro manage the policies dictated from above. Pathetic crowd.I well remember one guy ( still up there ) told me he was applying for a management job because his wife wanted him to have weekends free to look after the kids while she did yoga classes. Pathetic.
unitedabx is offline  
Old 16th Jan 2019, 12:00
  #62 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 47
Originally Posted by unitedabx View Post
Totally agree. back then the managers were pilots first and managers second. They could all fly and loved flying. Contrast this with the bunch we have now. Most are well below average flyingwise( look how many only got commands on their second attempt ) and fly as little as possible prefering to sit at a desk and micro manage the policies dictated from above. Pathetic crowd.I well remember one guy ( still up there ) told me he was applying for a management job because his wife wanted him to have weekends free to look after the kids while she did yoga classes. Pathetic.
God help us a management run creche
Staggers is offline  
Old 16th Jan 2019, 17:53
  #63 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: uk
Posts: 661
Staggers: If you saw him laughing then it must have been a line flight and not a check ride. He was the "classic" Jekyll and Hyde when it came to the different roles.
Meikleour is online now  
Old 16th Jan 2019, 20:07
  #64 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 314
Originally Posted by Staggers View Post



and TL told me that story himself when I was doing my L1011 conversion.
Did you have the tickets waived at you in the first week?
Good Business Sense is offline  
Old 16th Jan 2019, 23:56
  #65 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: sierra village
Posts: 179
Originally Posted by mngmt mole View Post
Another corrosive factor in the ever declining standards and career outlook for CX pilots is the fact that CX can, and will, hire anyone from anywhere. There was a time when they only hired the "best", mainly airline pilots from other established first world carriers, or RAF/RAAF pilots, either transport or fast-jet. There was NEVER any question of their abilities as pilots, or as individuals. Now, we have seen the airline populated by people who normally would have been clerking in a bank, working in hotel management or waiting in a restaurant. We now have people from more third world nations than first world nations flying for CX. Look around dispatch during the busy times of day and the writing is on the wall as to where this airline is heading. The day of the experienced, first world thinking expat pilot at CX is over. In another 10 years, there will be few expats left, and it will be (especially in HK) another Chinese airline. Not saying that with bitterness, simply an acknowledgement of where the management have allowed CX to evolve. It will be a lonely place for the few western expats on the flight deck, and much sooner than most suspected. As that realisation is now sinking in, it is causing the ever increasing exodus of expats from CX, replaced by the ever increasing stream of mainly local wannabe cadets, who's knowledge of "aviation" is less than most school boys in the UK. Come back in 10 years and we can debate the accuracy of the above. I will place a bet that I am not far off. It's over, and it's time for anyone who can establish a career back in their home countries to realise that the sooner they make the move, the better off they will eventually be. To stay here is to wither and die.
Newsflash!.

Its not just a disease at CX but in every other airline in the world. The dumbing down of pilots is a result of huge advances in automation both in the air and on the ground. The list of places in the world where ATC is not your nanny is ever diminishing. The systems, when they're working, on most modern aircraft make them dare I say crash proof. Experience, skill, airmanship have all been relegated to being non essential traits.

Some people may call this progress. I'm just glad I've retired.
lucille is offline  
Old 17th Jan 2019, 05:33
  #66 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 1998
Posts: 749
Non essential skills....until suddenly they are. AF447 anyone?
mngmt mole is offline  
Old 17th Jan 2019, 06:59
  #67 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 47
Originally Posted by Good Business Sense View Post
Did you have the tickets waived at you in the first week?

and at other times in my career 😂😂😂
Staggers is offline  
Old 19th Jan 2019, 10:09
  #68 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: lapbandland
Posts: 186
jones was trained at lilleydale aero club

jones was so far out of his depth the best he could do was belittle everyone he dealt with
he was not a bad person, just doing a job about 5
pay grades above his abilities
there were far worse (others)
one particularly nasty ex FE with less actual hours
than all the new -joiners
hope you all realise that you only lose the new joiner
tag in CX when you retire
good luck to all
boofta is offline  
Old 19th Jan 2019, 11:46
  #69 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: heads down trying to figure out Chinese RVSM
Posts: 197
Talking

Originally Posted by Good Business Sense View Post
Did you have the tickets waived at you in the first week?
Yep. I remember the first week in ground school when Jones did that to our class.
Funny thing was someone actually DID get up and said, "My last name is XXXXX, do you have my ticket?". He (candidate) was dead set on leaving, stating clearly to him that he didn't sign up for this. Wasn't going to tolerate that sort of treatment from Day 1 as a new-hire. Granted back in those days, the queue to join was long and distinguished......nowadays, pending you pass their silly group exercises and "tell me of a time when you........" questions, you pretty much have a job offer and no "Jones' Welcome to Cathay, our door is always open - we value you" treatment. Ahhh the good ol' days.
Hellenic aviator is offline  
Old 20th Jan 2019, 01:18
  #70 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Hong Kong
Age: 64
Posts: 680
Originally Posted by Staggers View Post


I remember them/him well; actually saw him laugh at himself once!
Staggers...that would have been playing cricket for Kai Tak, I suspect.
VR-HFX is offline  
Old 20th Jan 2019, 18:54
  #71 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: outernet
Posts: 38
Originally Posted by VR-HFX View Post
Staggers...that would have been playing cricket for Kai Tak, I suspect.
Ref: NJ. Do you remember "Lower the Dunlops!"
twothree is offline  
Old 20th Jan 2019, 19:01
  #72 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 314
Originally Posted by twothree View Post
Ref: NJ. Do you remember "Lower the Dunlops!"
......... how about ........ "a balanced wing is a happy wing", ...... from a man I miss a great deal !
Good Business Sense is offline  
Old 21st Jan 2019, 03:59
  #73 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Hong Kong
Age: 64
Posts: 680
Originally Posted by twothree View Post
Ref: NJ. Do you remember "Lower the Dunlops!"
I used to hear "Dangle the Dunlops" a bit in the early days but poor old NJ didn't do alliteration
VR-HFX is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.