Dont Apply To Cathay
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From: uk
Totally agree. back then the managers were pilots first and managers second. They could all fly and loved flying. Contrast this with the bunch we have now. Most are well below average flyingwise( look how many only got commands on their second attempt ) and fly as little as possible prefering to sit at a desk and micro manage the policies dictated from above. Pathetic crowd.I well remember one guy ( still up there ) told me he was applying for a management job because his wife wanted him to have weekends free to look after the kids while she did yoga classes. Pathetic.
Joined: Oct 2000
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Totally agree. back then the managers were pilots first and managers second. They could all fly and loved flying. Contrast this with the bunch we have now. Most are well below average flyingwise( look how many only got commands on their second attempt ) and fly as little as possible prefering to sit at a desk and micro manage the policies dictated from above. Pathetic crowd.I well remember one guy ( still up there ) told me he was applying for a management job because his wife wanted him to have weekends free to look after the kids while she did yoga classes. Pathetic.
Joined: Jun 2001
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From: sierra village
Another corrosive factor in the ever declining standards and career outlook for CX pilots is the fact that CX can, and will, hire anyone from anywhere. There was a time when they only hired the "best", mainly airline pilots from other established first world carriers, or RAF/RAAF pilots, either transport or fast-jet. There was NEVER any question of their abilities as pilots, or as individuals. Now, we have seen the airline populated by people who normally would have been clerking in a bank, working in hotel management or waiting in a restaurant. We now have people from more third world nations than first world nations flying for CX. Look around dispatch during the busy times of day and the writing is on the wall as to where this airline is heading. The day of the experienced, first world thinking expat pilot at CX is over. In another 10 years, there will be few expats left, and it will be (especially in HK) another Chinese airline. Not saying that with bitterness, simply an acknowledgement of where the management have allowed CX to evolve. It will be a lonely place for the few western expats on the flight deck, and much sooner than most suspected. As that realisation is now sinking in, it is causing the ever increasing exodus of expats from CX, replaced by the ever increasing stream of mainly local wannabe cadets, who's knowledge of "aviation" is less than most school boys in the UK. Come back in 10 years and we can debate the accuracy of the above. I will place a bet that I am not far off. It's over, and it's time for anyone who can establish a career back in their home countries to realise that the sooner they make the move, the better off they will eventually be. To stay here is to wither and die.
Its not just a disease at CX but in every other airline in the world. The dumbing down of pilots is a result of huge advances in automation both in the air and on the ground. The list of places in the world where ATC is not your nanny is ever diminishing. The systems, when they're working, on most modern aircraft make them dare I say crash proof. Experience, skill, airmanship have all been relegated to being non essential traits.
Some people may call this progress. I'm just glad I've retired.
Joined: Jul 2002
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From: lapbandland
jones was trained at lilleydale aero club
jones was so far out of his depth the best he could do was belittle everyone he dealt with
he was not a bad person, just doing a job about 5
pay grades above his abilities
there were far worse (others)
one particularly nasty ex FE with less actual hours
than all the new -joiners
hope you all realise that you only lose the new joiner
tag in CX when you retire
good luck to all
he was not a bad person, just doing a job about 5
pay grades above his abilities
there were far worse (others)
one particularly nasty ex FE with less actual hours
than all the new -joiners
hope you all realise that you only lose the new joiner
tag in CX when you retire
good luck to all
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From: heads down trying to figure out Chinese RVSM
Yep. I remember the first week in ground school when Jones did that to our class.
Funny thing was someone actually DID get up and said, "My last name is XXXXX, do you have my ticket?". He (candidate) was dead set on leaving, stating clearly to him that he didn't sign up for this. Wasn't going to tolerate that sort of treatment from Day 1 as a new-hire. Granted back in those days, the queue to join was long and distinguished......nowadays, pending you pass their silly group exercises and "tell me of a time when you........" questions, you pretty much have a job offer and no "Jones' Welcome to Cathay, our door is always open - we value you" treatment. Ahhh the good ol' days.
Funny thing was someone actually DID get up and said, "My last name is XXXXX, do you have my ticket?". He (candidate) was dead set on leaving, stating clearly to him that he didn't sign up for this. Wasn't going to tolerate that sort of treatment from Day 1 as a new-hire. Granted back in those days, the queue to join was long and distinguished......nowadays, pending you pass their silly group exercises and "tell me of a time when you........" questions, you pretty much have a job offer and no "Jones' Welcome to Cathay, our door is always open - we value you" treatment. Ahhh the good ol' days.
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