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Morning Coffee...excellent post! You pleasantly surprised me. I’ve disagreed with you on some past discussions, but you are spot on today! I tip my hat to you.
It bothers me when the Company try’s to drive down our pay (as they have over and over and over) by comparing our pay to low cost, third world, carriers. All the while ignoring (pretending not to notice) the better overall package paid to the sister airline in our own group! Things like hourly duty pay, university education, better leave..and of course, a guaranteed 13th month are items in the Dragon contract that are not in the Cathay contract.
If the Dragon contract was inferior to the Cathay contract our management would be beating us over the head with it. The fact that they never even mention it (pretending not to notice) speaks volumes about which contract is better.
It bothers me when the Company try’s to drive down our pay (as they have over and over and over) by comparing our pay to low cost, third world, carriers. All the while ignoring (pretending not to notice) the better overall package paid to the sister airline in our own group! Things like hourly duty pay, university education, better leave..and of course, a guaranteed 13th month are items in the Dragon contract that are not in the Cathay contract.
If the Dragon contract was inferior to the Cathay contract our management would be beating us over the head with it. The fact that they never even mention it (pretending not to notice) speaks volumes about which contract is better.
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MC. If we are sitting on the gate then we are not getting paid overtime either. The park brake has to be off for that. We do get paid an hourly duty pay but that’s beer money in comparison to OT.
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Morning Coffee...excellent post! You pleasantly surprised me. I’ve disagreed with you on some past discussions, but you are spot on today! I tip my hat to you.
It bothers me when the Company try’s to drive down our pay (as they have over and over and over) by comparing our pay to low cost, third world, carriers. All the while ignoring (pretending not to notice) the better overall package paid to the sister airline in our own group! Things like hourly duty pay, university education, better leave..and of course, a guaranteed 13th month are items in the Dragon contract that are not in the Cathay contract.
If the Dragon contract was inferior to the Cathay contract our management would be beating us over the head with it. The fact that they never even mention it (pretending not to notice) speaks volumes about which contract is better.
It bothers me when the Company try’s to drive down our pay (as they have over and over and over) by comparing our pay to low cost, third world, carriers. All the while ignoring (pretending not to notice) the better overall package paid to the sister airline in our own group! Things like hourly duty pay, university education, better leave..and of course, a guaranteed 13th month are items in the Dragon contract that are not in the Cathay contract.
If the Dragon contract was inferior to the Cathay contract our management would be beating us over the head with it. The fact that they never even mention it (pretending not to notice) speaks volumes about which contract is better.
a guaranteed 13th month are items in the Dragon contract that are not in the Cathay contract.
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Free hills,
Good point. I have mates at Dragon, my comments are in NO WAY meant to denigrate the great guys/gals at Dragon. Far from it. I only wish to point out the obvious when the Company pretends not to notice the better contract at our sister airline (not to mention legacy carriers in first world countries) while comparing ours to low cost, third world, start ups.
I hope our Dragon colleagues understand that what I am doing is calling out the “divide and conquer” tactics so obviously on display.
Good point. I have mates at Dragon, my comments are in NO WAY meant to denigrate the great guys/gals at Dragon. Far from it. I only wish to point out the obvious when the Company pretends not to notice the better contract at our sister airline (not to mention legacy carriers in first world countries) while comparing ours to low cost, third world, start ups.
I hope our Dragon colleagues understand that what I am doing is calling out the “divide and conquer” tactics so obviously on display.
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So some of you are happy with your mates at KA training CX Airbus Crew so the company can get around the training ban. Because they’re your mates? Or is that not happening?
But thx for clearing up the perception that KA got OT if they went past block time due delays before push.
Kudos to KA for getting provident fund paid as cash, the deluded amongst us at CX think the money’s as safe as in the bank. Lol
But thx for clearing up the perception that KA got OT if they went past block time due delays before push.
Kudos to KA for getting provident fund paid as cash, the deluded amongst us at CX think the money’s as safe as in the bank. Lol
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And what was your credit factor for the subsequent flight? What was theirs?
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Any devaluation of terms and the company will start to look for a large size parking spot. Pilots are really fed up with this place anyway.
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Seriously? Do some homework. Wouldn't matter if you are in Qantas or BA, where you also work for a publicly listed company. There is no big warehouse full of your money and everybody else's money that they've contributed to a provident fund. Not here, not anywhere. My point is simply to spread your risk.
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From what I gather that doesn’t seem to be true. I might be naive here, but my ORSO is in my name with the employers contribution and my contribution clearly defined, managed by a third party (HSBC).
I can’t see how anyone could appropriate my ORSO account? It’s not the same system as a pension system where the entire groups money is all lumped together and you have the rights to a certain part of the pie when it’s your time. This is simply an individual savings/investment portfolio.
Not the most ideal one (have a look at the charges), but it seems to be mine providing I comply with the rules set out in the scheme.
I can’t see how anyone could appropriate my ORSO account? It’s not the same system as a pension system where the entire groups money is all lumped together and you have the rights to a certain part of the pie when it’s your time. This is simply an individual savings/investment portfolio.
Not the most ideal one (have a look at the charges), but it seems to be mine providing I comply with the rules set out in the scheme.
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Seriously? Do some homework. Wouldn't matter if you are in Qantas or BA, where you also work for a publicly listed company. There is no big warehouse full of your money and everybody else's money that they've contributed to a provident fund. Not here, not anywhere. My point is simply to spread your risk.
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Seriously? Do some homework. Wouldn't matter if you are in Qantas or BA, where you also work for a publicly listed company. There is no big warehouse full of your money and everybody else's money that they've contributed to a provident fund. Not here, not anywhere. My point is simply to spread your risk.
Depends on where you are and how it is set up. If the fund relies on benefits based on the solvency of the company (including national pension schemes and Social Security, etc.) this is correct. There are some national guarantee schemes but these are usually a fraction of what the benefits might have been.
In a 401K or 401-K like scheme not so much in that it is your money to start with and national laws preclude external meddling. So these types of funds cannot be touched except by the beneficiary. Now I guess you could argue that the individually chosen investments—which often have wide choices— are only as safe as the market at large but then again so is the cash and banking systems of most nations. And if these all come down at once it’s probanly time to head for the hills to fight the zombies anyway.
It is wise never ever to put all your eggs in one basket though.
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Interesting you bring up OT, I sat waiting in the queue for Beijing recently with a 70 minute delay and got paid zero for it while my colleagues a few gates down at KA also going to Beijing picked up nearly an hour’s overtime.
Usually when the company is utilising divide and conquer tactics it’s throwing a bone to KA while big brother gets nothing. I’m slowly sorting my kids fees for University, pity I’m not getting them paid for.
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70 minutes is standard . Try doing a month of PEK flying, on a KA roster in summer, with 6+ hours delay. OT is savaged and you are on a rolling minimum rest and stby. Despite what you are being fed, there is nothing pleasant about a China dominant roster and KA’s COS offers little protection.
In your scenario, how did a KA pilot get an extra hour OT? Are you fabricating or another victim of industrial and organizational psychology, that seems to present CX Pilots as the smartest - dumbest pilots in the industry !
If our contract and flying is so good push for integration ? And again, please PM me your last 3 years of tax returns and we can compare apples and oranges.
The only way a KA pilot would get more OT than you, in your scenario, is a landing on the western most runways and a single engine taxi.
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Gnadenburg,
You seem to delight in turning every thread into a CX/KA p!ss!ng contest. We are not competing, so perhaps it's time to give it a rest.
Most CX pilots don't understand your COS and you sure don't understand ours. The mere fact you asked to see an anonymous poster's tax returns indicates how out of touch you are. Firstly, these posters may or may not be CX pilots and secondly, if you had a clue about CX you would know that someone's earnings will vary wildly depending as to their fleet. To carry on your logic, you won't be comparing apples to oranges, you will be comparing apples to mandarins, to oranges to grapefruit.
However, irrespective if you work for CX or KA, we all get the occasional un-lubed pineapple and that's what should unite us all!!
You seem to delight in turning every thread into a CX/KA p!ss!ng contest. We are not competing, so perhaps it's time to give it a rest.
Most CX pilots don't understand your COS and you sure don't understand ours. The mere fact you asked to see an anonymous poster's tax returns indicates how out of touch you are. Firstly, these posters may or may not be CX pilots and secondly, if you had a clue about CX you would know that someone's earnings will vary wildly depending as to their fleet. To carry on your logic, you won't be comparing apples to oranges, you will be comparing apples to mandarins, to oranges to grapefruit.
However, irrespective if you work for CX or KA, we all get the occasional un-lubed pineapple and that's what should unite us all!!
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There is no delight. I actually feel threatened by the ignorant swipes and references by CX staff to the “superior” COS at KA. My last two rebuttals were of two CX pilots who had made blatantly incorrect comments that fuel a dangerous ignorance. Have a re-read please !
A few weeks ago an earlier company approach, for what I viewed was COS tampering, was oddly withdrawn due the negative potential reaction of CX pilots . Whichever way you look at it, it’s another avenue of attack of playing off envy of one pilot group of another - the fuel being the disinformation like what’s seen here on pprune.
The PM request of tax returns was rhetorical . It’s a statement of what we all know. There are elements of each pilot group doing better then others and COS comparisons are impossible. That said, watch the disinformation sprayed by management, to sponsor the industrial envy that triggers a human satisfaction of feeling better off than the others. Net result is we all get screwed which we seem to mutually agree upon.
There is no delight. I actually feel threatened by the ignorant swipes and references by CX staff to the “superior” COS at KA. My last two rebuttals were of two CX pilots who had made blatantly incorrect comments that fuel a dangerous ignorance. Have a re-read please !
A few weeks ago an earlier company approach, for what I viewed was COS tampering, was oddly withdrawn due the negative potential reaction of CX pilots . Whichever way you look at it, it’s another avenue of attack of playing off envy of one pilot group of another - the fuel being the disinformation like what’s seen here on pprune.
The PM request of tax returns was rhetorical . It’s a statement of what we all know. There are elements of each pilot group doing better then others and COS comparisons are impossible. That said, watch the disinformation sprayed by management, to sponsor the industrial envy that triggers a human satisfaction of feeling better off than the others. Net result is we all get screwed which we seem to mutually agree upon.
