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CX Parking Planes?

Old 24th Jun 2018, 05:24
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CX Parking Planes?

Quite a few guys on the line are saying we are gonna park planes.. any reliable source??
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Old 24th Jun 2018, 05:50
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Just rumours at this point, I very much doubt you will find any source to confirm it, especially with ongoing negotiations
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Old 24th Jun 2018, 07:59
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Leave slots cancelled, commercial cancellation of flights...so that 4 daily sydney is now 3 daily...rome or paris now becomes rostered week long layover......long haul flights departing with 2 or more captains....leases expiring and aircraft leaving with no replacements for near future...

overall moving the deck chairs to keep semblance of normal...parking a jet would be an open admittance of management incompetence....we cant have that now...we have to ensure we screw the pilots to give us concessions..
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Old 24th Jun 2018, 09:53
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And......where are the second hand aircraft that CX have acquired from Emirates? Rumours abound about where they are parked.
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Old 24th Jun 2018, 10:14
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B-HNS the first ex Emirates 777-300 in XMN undergoing entry to service work
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Old 24th Jun 2018, 11:12
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Just take a look at the number of aircraft parked between the 07's. They shuffle them in and out to look like they’re not parked long term but the utilisation of airframes must be at its lowest since SARS in 03.

They’re not getting any better at managing, just better at hiding the fact they’re not very good at it.
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Old 24th Jun 2018, 16:57
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One airport head was told they are reducing their frequency due to lack of pilots...all smoke and mirrors
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Old 24th Jun 2018, 21:23
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Originally Posted by dctPub View Post
5 more 330s going to dragon (now that they voted for another pay freeze to secure the flying).ô
You guys are funny! Banging on about how much more KA pilots get paid continuously then expecting us to pursue a further wage disparity with a strategic industrial campaign ? What are the chances of that having success? Theyíd play your legacy sensibilities off against us ensuring a train wreck.

Another victim of industrial-organizational psychology.

The news over our way changes daily . 5 more aircraft ? Not many at KA would care except juniors and guys who are yet to join. A predictable mess for CX Pilots that should have been addressed years ago with a rational consideration of weighted and protective integration .

And as a postscript the highest paid Pilots in the group are over your way . Rather odd considering your CC campaign . Long haul and OT rather lucrative .

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Old 24th Jun 2018, 23:26
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They have already parked a plane , it’s outside the sim building
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Old 25th Jun 2018, 02:18
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5 CX 330s coming to KA next year. Replacements only. 5 KA HL series aircraft are reaching end of life an are being replaced.

No expansion plans at KA. Most of the line training captains have just been stood down. Too many with no training planned.

Looks to to me like KA is in limbo and CX is shrinking.
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Old 25th Jun 2018, 06:23
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The decision by the DPA to accept 0% had nothing to do with guaranteeing expansion. It was a pragmatic decision. The company had made a loss and the optics of KA pilots demanding a pay rise just werenít going to be good. No one at the meeting was happy with that. In fact no one even spoke in support of the motion. It carried because of the practicalities of the situation.

However should the company post a profit ( as expected) there is an expectation the company will compensate us for our patience. I wouldnít expect the same vote next time.
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Old 25th Jun 2018, 16:03
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Giggerty, You state “. There is an expectation that company will compensate us for our patience “

i dont want want to be rude , but seriously when has the company EVER compensated any employee for their patience or doing the right thing in hard times ?
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Old 25th Jun 2018, 17:02
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Originally Posted by oriental flyer View Post
Giggerty, You state “. There is an expectation that company will compensate us for our patience “

i dont want want to be rude , but seriously when has the company EVER compensated any employee for their patience or doing the right thing in hard times ?
Exactly.
Swire playbook rule one. At every opportunity complain about economic downturns, competition, currency movements, fuel prices, yield, return on capital invested, etc.
Swire playbook rule two. If despite their sheer incompetence they actually make money, complain that aviation is cyclic and any of the factors in rule one are just around the corner.

We’ve all been had. They reward themselves handsomely year after year irrespective of financial results due to the “cyclic nature of the aviation industry”, yet in a classical “privatize the profits, socialize the losses” playbook, rarely reward their staff even during the good times. Management laugh that we now have to fight for 13th month as it has effectively consigned profit share to the history books.
The pigs have rewritten the barn wall slogan. 13th month IS profit share.
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Old 25th Jun 2018, 20:18
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If the expectation isnít met then the outcome of the vote will be different. Iím sure CC will get the numbers if a profit is made and nothing is coming our way. It seems to be the general consensus that a limit had been reached.
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Old 25th Jun 2018, 23:35
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Look we all know what that vote was about: The older generation not wanting to rock the boat and see the notice given on the FLPS. That was the talk of the town; if we go into CC they will pull our leave scheme!

Understandable from that perspective, but letís call it what it was. Voting NO to the offer did not mean voting YES to CC or any other form of action. It meant no this offer is not good enough and come back with something better. Our membership voted that this was good enough.

This will be the third year in a row that we get 0% inflation adjustment. Even if profits are made we must ďclaw backĒ hedging losses before anything happens. Another vote will be had and the new offer, same as the old offer, will be voted in because ďwe have to protect the leave schemeĒ.

Then after the negotiations and industrial tension dies down for a second the inevitable whinging and complaining will start again on the flight deck. It is what it is and actually quite rational; I would probably have the same thinking process if I was a B scaler with a couple years left.

Letís also remember we are on the longest Bull run in history as we speak with what I believe is the biggest world wide pilot shortage in history. This party is not going to last forever, a cycle correction will happen sooner or later. If we canít get inflation adjustment when times are this good in the world wide economy, I fear we have interesting times ahead.

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Old 26th Jun 2018, 02:18
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Originally Posted by oriental flyer View Post
Giggerty, You state “. There is an expectation that company will compensate us for our patience “

i dont want want to be rude , but seriously when has the company EVER compensated any employee for their patience or doing the right thing in hard times ?
OF is entirely correct. Years back the scheme in place at CX to accomplish this exact thing (Profit Sharing) was "enhanced" (CX leaders love this word). They "enhanced" it so very much it more or less ensured that employees would never get this hard work reward ever again.
One way or the other, they have started new subsidiaries to suck the profit away from the Mother Company so they can make profit disappear at will. Latest = HAECO Cabin Solutions in the US that are now "manufacturing" all the new economy class seats and, of course, "charge" CX for the seats. i.e. Say by by to another slice of any profit in the offing...
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Old 26th Jun 2018, 05:36
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Dr F.
I can appreciate where youíre coming from, and to a large extent I agree with you. You are correct. Voting No wasnít a vote for CC, it was just a rejection of an offer. No one is happy with 0%. We could have voted No and seen what the consequences were. Maybe the company would have caved in and come back to the table or maybe they would have headed for the trenches. I suspect the latter if you reference their dealings with the AOA of the last few years.

I voted yes this time because the risk versus reward just didnít add up. You canít get blood from a stone and I felt the timing wasnít right to escalate things. That was my thoughts at the time, and where I differ from you.
However, Iím certain that I and many others will not be so accepting in future. Iíll be voting No unless there is a significant offer made. I donít think Iím alone.
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Old 26th Jun 2018, 11:38
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Good luck with that next offer giggy! Missed opportunity perhaps?
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Old 26th Jun 2018, 23:35
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You guys are funny! Banging on about how much more KA pilots get paid continuously then expecting us to pursue a further wage disparity with a strategic industrial campaign ? What are the chances of that having success? Theyíd play your legacy sensibilities off against us ensuring a train wreck.

Another victim of industrial-organizational psychology.

The news over our way changes daily . 5 more aircraft ? Not many at KA would care except juniors and guys who are yet to join. A predictable mess for CX Pilots that should have been addressed years ago with a rational consideration of weighted and protective integration .

And as a postscript the highest paid Pilots in the group are over your way . Rather odd considering your CC campaign . Long haul and OT rather lucrative .

Interesting you bring up OT, I sat waiting in the queue for Beijing recently with a 70 minute delay and got paid zero for it while my colleagues a few gates down at KA also going to Beijing picked up nearly an hourís overtime.
Usually when the company is utilising divide and conquer tactics itís throwing a bone to KA while big brother gets nothing. Iím slowly sorting my kids fees for University, pity Iím not getting them paid for.
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Old 27th Jun 2018, 01:22
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Morning Coffee, itís not overtime. Itís HDP. Big difference.
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