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Old 6th Sep 2017, 00:26
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Are you that afraid of life STW?
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 00:27
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Originally Posted by Dragon69 View Post
Are you that afraid of life STW?
Let me guess. You are not on ARAPA.

I just wonder how you can "run away" from an expiring contract, that is all.

Can you explain me how to do that?
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 00:47
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong View Post
Let me guess. You are not on ARAPA.

I just wonder how you can "run away" from an expiring contract, that is all.

Can you explain me how to do that?
On the contrary, I am on ARAPA with a mortgage, but I choose not to succumb to scare tactics that's been used over and over again. What part of "housing is contractual" do you not understand? Sure they can change the amount once it expires, but they have to pay me something reasonable.

Regardless whether or not the AoA sells our souls, at the end of the day they cannot change your CoS without your consent. If they choose to fire people for not signing so be it, if enough don't sign they going to find themselves in a bind.

You can run STW or you can make stand. One thing is for sure there is life after Cathay.
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 00:50
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In fact KA pilots are on better contracts than CX pilots and are far less efficient in terms of block hours flown. This chart says nothing more than HK based CX pilots have the biggest targets on their back purely by the fact that we are the largest demographic.
I'm sure that's what you've been fed and you can sense the divisions have been masterfully whipped up by management from over our way ( KA ) .

It's far more complex than that and every command at KA is C scale as is every new joining F/O. Some one can correct me too, but is the cadet scheme been driven towards a tokenism with direct entry expatriates offering bigger savings?

Our management lobbyists within the DPA brought industrial peace for the outgoing KA GMO. The peace was already there anyways I sensed. However, typically, though anecdotally, the outgoing GMO's message to the KA pilot group was that Contract Compliance was inevitable- by next year !

CX pilots have been around long enough to see more clarity in the current environment and not fall for the divisive plays I would have hoped? What might help though is, I haven't met a KA pilot who has any desire to be part of your group. You have a miserable, ugly and toxic aviation environment loaded with bullies. I doubt if KA pilots can avoid the inevitable but being drawn closer and closer to CX city is not the least bit desirable, which probably surprises your legacy mindsets?

Putting both pilot groups in contract compliance will be a disaster from every angle. Health and sanity of KA pilots will be a sadly interesting undertone - KA pilot sick leave is the same as CX's at the moment and that's with industrial peace ! Management is so detached from our operation they probably don't realise its genuine and only going to get worse with chronic operational delays and hotel standards.

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Old 6th Sep 2017, 02:24
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I think you guys misread the email.
The DFO was complaining that Airbus and Boeing were producing too many aircraft and that the Swire Directors bonus has only risen 681% in recent times.
TAT-Times Are Tough
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 03:44
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Ah yes....individual letters in mailboxes. Rolling back the years to 1994 when GMT's father did exactly the same thing. The playbook never changes so the next step is obvious.
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 04:26
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Hmm. I guess she thinks the market in HK is HKA and HKE. Hmm I wonder what their directors get paid?
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 04:34
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Gnad,

That KA is on a superior contract is 100% true. Expats and cadets both out-earn their like contract colleagues at CX. It's not a point for division between the two groups. It's just a fact. Highlighting that fact merely serves to counter efforts by management to make it appear that CX pilots are the problem. We are not. Neither are KA's pilots. The problem is billions of dollars of upside down fuel and currency hedges. The other problem is extremely poor management. The old adage that they "step over dollars to pick up pennies" could not be more true than it is at CX.
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 06:55
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I am already feeling stressed
Two months of rest will do it....
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 07:39
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Stolen from the Friday Jokes thread on Jet Blast. Imagine the Woman as our DFO....


A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. She reduced altitude and spotted a man below. She descended a bit more and shouted: "'Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago but I don't know where I am". The man below replied "You're in a hot air balloon hovering approximately 30 feet above the ground. You're between 40 and 41 degrees north latitude and between 59 and 60 degrees west longitude".

"You must be a technician." said the balloonist. "I am" replied the man "how did you know?" "Well," answered the balloonist, "everything you have told me is probably technically correct, but I've no idea what to make of your information and the fact is, I'm still lost. Frankly, you've not been much help at all. If anything, you've delayed my trip with your talk."

The man below responded, "You must be in management". "I am" replied the balloonist, "but how did you know?" "Well," said the man "you don't know where you are or where you're going. You have risen to where you are, due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise, which you've no idea how to keep, and you expect people beneath you to solve your problems. The fact is you are in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but now, somehow, it's my ******* fault!
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 10:52
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It's all about market timing

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40756834

BBC report yesterday stating that analysis of HMRC (tax return) figures showed UK pilots enjoyed a 26% increase in pay between 2011 and 2016. Obviously that was in the UK and us humble beings in HK received nothing like that.

Success in business is all about market timing, when oil prices are falling, you hedge heavily against higher oil prices. When the market for pilots is tight and salaries are rising globally, slash your pilot's salaries and benefits.

Airlines don't need fuel and pilots, they need graphs and cheesy slogans. Time to win!!
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 10:56
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Originally Posted by betpump5 View Post
Stolen from the Friday Jokes thread on Jet Blast. Imagine the Woman as our DFO....
Pretty darn good--but the writer did forget one important tidbit.

The manager was making the entire trip (including being totally lost) using someone elses' money.

Then again, perhaps that goes without saying these days........
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 11:46
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It is time we ALL resolved to stand against our immoral and dishonest management.
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 11:53
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ANNA,

my decades old COS is a signed contract that in 90's dollars is worth half of what I earn today. Every other major carrier is increasing pay. You want to pay me less of my 1990's dollars.

INFLATION is real. The flat I was renting in 04' now rents for 3 times that amount. Has my housing gone up 3X? No.. it hasn't really moved other than to some HKG peg which in no way represents the real cost.

SCHOOLING has gone up.. What I get covers less each year.

_

Shall i make a large pie chart that shows the cost of the crew vs the fines that were levied against us?

You want to lower housing? Open up bases. Problem solved.

Lower pay?
Start with the board.. ZERO pay. If they don't like, I'm sure we can fine some more competent directors happy to take over on zero money as they made their money elsewhere.

Directors like you.. 1/2 your packages. Money where your mouth is. Do it.

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Old 6th Sep 2017, 13:41
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Originally Posted by FreemaninHK View Post
ANNA,

my decades old COS is a signed contract that in 90's dollars is worth half of what I earn today. Every other major carrier is increasing pay. You want to pay me less of my 1990's dollars.

INFLATION is real. The flat I was renting in 04' now rents for 3 times that amount. Has my housing gone up 3X? No.. it hasn't really moved other than to some HKG peg which in no way represents the real cost.

SCHOOLING has gone up.. What I get covers less each year.

_

Shall i make a large pie chart that shows the cost of the crew vs the fines that were levied against us?

You want to lower housing? Open up bases. Problem solved.

Lower pay?
Start with the board.. ZERO pay. If they don't like, I'm sure we can fine some more competent directors happy to take over on zero money as they made their money elsewhere.

Directors like you.. 1/2 your packages. Money where your mouth is. Do it.
This is it. There's nothing more to say really. We draw the line here or there is nothing left to stay for in HK. Want cheaper pilots? BASES!!! Most of us (expats) are willing to work for less, IN OUR HOME COUNTRIES!!! What is so hard to understand about that? I don't get it. Resolve rostering as part of CMP negotiations, put HKPA up to livable wages, end the training ban/CC, and get the bases growing. Any sensible company would utilize a win/win like based pilots, but not CX. They are different and special. "You just don't understand..." That's right AT and DP, we don't understand because IT MAKES NO SENSE!!!
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 15:54
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Here's the real chart that should have been published!
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 17:18
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Bases? No, you see, it's a 'control' thing old chap. They've realised they've lost their beloved control of the bases with the emergence of first world onshoring.

Scares the out of them.
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 20:19
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Well, their financial problems must not be that bad then.
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 22:27
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Can we all agree, it's incompetence, not control. Of late, they couldn't organise a beer in a brothel.
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 22:53
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Or even a screw in a hardware store..
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