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Old 16th Jul 2017, 04:21   #81 (permalink)
 
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Or, maybe 100 line pilots can try writing a letter and attaching their names to it.

Go for it Liam and Steve....I mean, seriously, go for it. My name was on the trainers letter.

Put your pens to paper....
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Old 16th Jul 2017, 04:25   #82 (permalink)
 
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I will happily sign such a letter. The FO in this situation will be unsafe. A few maydays because of
pilot incapacitation should do the trick. Especially in good ole America.

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Old 16th Jul 2017, 05:18   #83 (permalink)
 
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Or, maybe 100 line pilots can try writing a letter and attaching their names to it.

Go for it Liam and Steve....I mean, seriously, go for it. My name was on the trainers letter.

Put your pens to paper....
To what end? Unless you're prepared to take some sort of action when nothing happens as a result of your protest then all you're doing is shouting at windmills.

Whilst I applaud the initiative of those trainers who signed the letter, how many of them resigned when nothing came of it? Few, if any I suspect. To those who remained, I don't think you can have it both ways, that is, complain about something that you vehemently disagree with and then continue to support the activities that you complained about. I think the phrase is, "Put your money where your mouth is"
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Old 16th Jul 2017, 05:27   #84 (permalink)
 
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"incompasitation".

Sounds horrible..........

Seriously?

So you've never once taken a sector as RQ? Really?
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Old 16th Jul 2017, 21:40   #85 (permalink)
 
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Fixed it, dam spell check!
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Old 16th Jul 2017, 23:30   #86 (permalink)
 
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It will be fun to watch the wheels fall off the operation when the RQ guy goes sick at the outport.
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Old 17th Jul 2017, 00:53   #87 (permalink)
 
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Not that I'm in favour of this change but wouldn't the same problem occur with the current CN, RQ, FO, SO complement if the RQ went sick at an outport? Obviously a different story if both FOs are RQ.
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Old 17th Jul 2017, 01:16   #88 (permalink)
 
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That's what I'm getting at. They will have zero options. No 2nd RQ to possibly save the day, no 3 crew options. Just have to delay the flight by whatever the incoming RQ's minimum rest is.
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Old 17th Jul 2017, 01:38   #89 (permalink)
 
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Agreed but don't you think that will have been part of the risk assessment? I assume there are statistics on the number of times pilots go sick at outports although, to be fair, those statistics will be based on the current, rather than proposed crewing.
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Old 17th Jul 2017, 01:52   #90 (permalink)
 
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Now you're getting it STP.
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Old 17th Jul 2017, 02:03   #91 (permalink)
 
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Oh, I got before but ACMS has made a valid point that many RQs get sectors currently, so the inevitable question might be, what's changed? Surely those stats will be available too? Of course, I realise that there's a difference between a one-off and something that might become the norm in terms of the physiological effects.
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Old 17th Jul 2017, 03:01   #92 (permalink)
 
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# Make Cathay Great Again

... far less chance of that than for America imo.
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Old 17th Jul 2017, 12:07   #93 (permalink)
 
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So what do non RQ first officers do?
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Old 17th Jul 2017, 15:21   #94 (permalink)
 
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Oh, I got before but ACMS has made a valid point that many RQs get sectors currently, so the inevitable question might be, what's changed?
The biggest change is that of a tired RQ gets a sector, you have an F/O in the back that is way more familiar with the operation than an S/O. It is that extra pair of eyes and although stuff ups still happen with the current crew compliment, they will get worse. CX seems to think it's a good idea to manually line up those holes in the cheese.
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Old 17th Jul 2017, 18:36   #95 (permalink)
 
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It was just as bad with non RQ FO's plus an SO. I recall often refusing to do the ldg because too fatigued from wrong rest. T and B's for going out of recency!
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Old 17th Jul 2017, 22:26   #96 (permalink)
 
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Rubbish, If you don't know what rest (and how much) you will get you can't make that judgement at report.
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Old 18th Jul 2017, 19:13   #97 (permalink)
 
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Arrived off long haul trip then min rest ..Up at 4.30am for 6am PC sim then STC calls crew control at end of debrief and given a long haul flight in 12 hours time at 11pm....really? Who else does that? Why bother with a roster?
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Old 18th Jul 2017, 22:37   #98 (permalink)

 
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Why bother with a roster?
Wasn't that one of AT's first questions when she became DFO?
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Old 19th Jul 2017, 02:03   #99 (permalink)
 
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Arrived off long haul trip then min rest ..Up at 4.30am for 6am PC sim then STC calls crew control at end of debrief and given a long haul flight in 12 hours time at 11pm....really? Who else does that? Why bother with a roster?
Did you get 1 in 7?
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Old 19th Jul 2017, 11:01   #100 (permalink)
 
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ASR F......
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