Legend !
Joined: Mar 2017
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From: Museum & CX City
Nowadays, since the introduction of C scale from 2010/11 onwards, the majority of new joiners (cadets) have had very little, to no experience at all, compared to pre 2008. This lack of previous experience has been evident with many not passing their JFO/QL upgrades at their first attempt, compounded by not putting in the effort during their s/o days, proffering flights away in their JFO phase and then panicking once they see their QL scheduled.
The safety standards have been maintained because many of the present captains joined with experience. Don't kid yourself
Joined: Apr 2011
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From: France
I wouldn't say I don't like it, I would say I find this kind of behaviour completely unacceptable in 2017. Bullying in the workplace is the common term. There are many many other CONSTRUCTIVE ways you could deal with this without intimudating colleagues who, at the end of the day are grown adults and have the right to make their own decisions. The company's behaviour is not justification for us to behave poorly.
Last edited by jumbobelle; 4th April 2017 at 08:02.
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 17
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From: Hong Kong
Jesus Christ McNugget! By the fact you've been here 6 years I'm assuming you are HKPA. We have just rolled HKPA into contact compliance because apparently you guys are on a !!!! deal and can't afford to live in HK (which I believe by the way!) yet here you are bragging about how much you paid and how easy the job is! What's it gonna be? If you are getting paid so well and are obviously flush with cash then what the hell are we doing in contact compliance for you?
Either;
(a) you are on here as a management mole, or
(b) you are on here kicking home goals left, right centre.
Here's a little tip for negotiating. If you want a company to pay you more don't go on a public forum bragging about how much you earn. Which is why I'm thinking (a) you are a management mole... Because no one is that dumb (btw... Your pay figures appear a little embellished to me... Probably should pick more believable figures for a FO3).
We've got some guys on here complaining that CC/TB is screwing their upgrade, yet they are the self same demographic that just forced us into adding HKPA to CC thereby potentially extending it.
I'm confused as to what you guys want from us? It appears everything.
Either;
(a) you are on here as a management mole, or
(b) you are on here kicking home goals left, right centre.
Here's a little tip for negotiating. If you want a company to pay you more don't go on a public forum bragging about how much you earn. Which is why I'm thinking (a) you are a management mole... Because no one is that dumb (btw... Your pay figures appear a little embellished to me... Probably should pick more believable figures for a FO3).
We've got some guys on here complaining that CC/TB is screwing their upgrade, yet they are the self same demographic that just forced us into adding HKPA to CC thereby potentially extending it.
I'm confused as to what you guys want from us? It appears everything.
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 205
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From: Honkytown
Jesus Christ McNugget! By the fact you've been here 6 years I'm assuming you are HKPA. We have just rolled HKPA into contact compliance because apparently you guys are on a !!!! deal and can't afford to live in HK (which I believe by the way!) yet here you are bragging about how much you paid and how easy the job is! What's it gonna be? If you are getting paid so well and are obviously flush with cash then what the hell are we doing in contact compliance for you?
Either;
(a) you are on here as a management mole, or
(b) you are on here kicking home goals left, right centre.
Here's a little tip for negotiating. If you want a company to pay you more don't go on a public forum bragging about how much you earn. Which is why I'm thinking (a) you are a management mole... Because no one is that dumb (btw... Your pay figures appear a little embellished to me... Probably should pick more believable figures for a FO3).
We've got some guys on here complaining that CC/TB is screwing their upgrade, yet they are the self same demographic that just forced us into adding HKPA to CC thereby potentially extending it.
I'm confused as to what you guys want from us? It appears everything.
Either;
(a) you are on here as a management mole, or
(b) you are on here kicking home goals left, right centre.
Here's a little tip for negotiating. If you want a company to pay you more don't go on a public forum bragging about how much you earn. Which is why I'm thinking (a) you are a management mole... Because no one is that dumb (btw... Your pay figures appear a little embellished to me... Probably should pick more believable figures for a FO3).
We've got some guys on here complaining that CC/TB is screwing their upgrade, yet they are the self same demographic that just forced us into adding HKPA to CC thereby potentially extending it.
I'm confused as to what you guys want from us? It appears everything.
I wasn't defending the contract. I was telling it as I see it. My rocket science comment? That is based on my experience. I wrote in reply to an embittered colleague who was bleating about the experience levels from days of old. My point still stands. You don't need 8000 hours to be a first officer on a modern jet.
The pay figures I quoted are on the conservative side for me. They are not embellished.
80 + 8 + 14 = 104k. Plus allowances. Plus 15.5% p-fund contribution of the 80 + 8. Thats year FO1.. It isn't bragging. It is a simple, accurate statement. Not sure what a home goal is. Is it similar to an own goal?
So, "Jesus Christ, Petal". Cool your jets.
Read what's presented to you, instead of leaping to conclusions.
Joined: Mar 2011
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From: Hong Kong
Sorry, my "Jesus Christ" comment was simply due my astonishment as to why you would come on here bragging about how much you earn whilst at the same time your peers are begging the rest of the union to double down on Contract Compliance to get you guys a better deal on HKPA?
Do your colleagues appreciate you undermining their bargaining position?
P.s. I appreciate you trying to get a rise out of me with the 'Calm down Petal' comments. Nice play
Do your colleagues appreciate you undermining their bargaining position?
P.s. I appreciate you trying to get a rise out of me with the 'Calm down Petal' comments. Nice play
Last edited by JayTee777300; 6th April 2017 at 02:12.
Joined: Aug 2003
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From: HKG
I understand why you would confuse us, since I agree with 90% of mr. Curtain's posts and have often wanted to buy him a few rounds.
Seems like he now owes me one.
If you (think you) know me, you should also know I don't do "anonymous".
I fight full on and head on. No masks.
Blue skies.
JL
Seems like he now owes me one.
If you (think you) know me, you should also know I don't do "anonymous".
I fight full on and head on. No masks.
Blue skies.
JL
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 186
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From: hong kong
McNugget.
With 8000+ hrs some will never make a half-decent FO, you included. However, with 250+hrs you are an accident looking for a grid reference. If you take your frustrations airborne with you, then you become a danger to those around you. Perhaps you are in the wrong occupation.
With 8000+ hrs some will never make a half-decent FO, you included. However, with 250+hrs you are an accident looking for a grid reference. If you take your frustrations airborne with you, then you become a danger to those around you. Perhaps you are in the wrong occupation.
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 205
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From: Honkytown
Sorry, my "Jesus Christ" comment was simply due my astonishment as to why you would come on here bragging about how much you earn whilst at the same time your peers are begging the rest of the union to double down on Contract Compliance to get you guys a better deal on HKPA?
Do your colleagues appreciate you undermining their bargaining position?
P.s. I appreciate you trying to get a rise out of me with the 'Calm down Petal' comments. Nice play
Do your colleagues appreciate you undermining their bargaining position?
P.s. I appreciate you trying to get a rise out of me with the 'Calm down Petal' comments. Nice play
Undermining it would be me telling everyone it's awesome. I'm not doing that. All I can do is tell people answers from my perspective.
TheFUB,
Thank you for the pep-talk. I'll be sure to give it some thought, Ice-Man. Unlike you, I don't have frustrations. You're right, however, I'm sure I'll never make a decent FO - It's just so tricky!
I'm sorry you didn't get enough hugs as a child. Try not to take it out on your colleagues.
Joined: Aug 2008
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From: Polar Route
I understand why you would confuse us, since I agree with 90% of mr. Curtain's posts and have often wanted to buy him a few rounds.
Seems like he now owes me one.
If you (think you) know me, you should also know I don't do "anonymous".
I fight full on and head on. No masks.
Blue skies.
JL
Seems like he now owes me one.
If you (think you) know me, you should also know I don't do "anonymous".
I fight full on and head on. No masks.
Blue skies.
JL
You were exactly the wrong guy to be enforcing CC. You are as dirty and agenda driven as any of the CC violators you reported on. Zero integrity, the exact opposite of what you purport.
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 157
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From: Asia
Maybe DS can accept a promotion to STC?
He is already a complete hypocrite for remaining in training while asking the rest of the world not to assist in training CX pilots.
Hard to believe if it weren't true...
He is already a complete hypocrite for remaining in training while asking the rest of the world not to assist in training CX pilots.
Hard to believe if it weren't true...
Joined: Aug 2008
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From: Polar Route
Indeed, Dilbert, indeed. When will DSS wake up? Perhaps never, and the HKAOA is all the more compromised and weakened. Sad, but true.