Legend !

[McNugget]

Originally Posted by goathead

For the benefit of Mcnugget and xwind and all other 3 yr old new joiners
When PW ( a past president ) was voted in he immediately resigned from being a trainer
Thats integrity and not having a sandal in each camp.

Umm... I'm not a 3 year old new joiner. But thanks.

I appreciate (and agree with) your point. However, CB is nothing but a psychotic fraud who won't go away.

Who do you work for again, CB? Oh yes, you won't say.

Ps. Standing by for a long winded rant...

[MENELAUS]

No PW did mot immediately resign from c and t..took about 18 months.. hardly a short marching pace...

[McNugget]

Originally Posted by Betsy and Nikki

Ironic ... you joined on C scale thinking you would get better terms and conditions later on in your career. Clearly you didn't do any research on the history between CX management and the AOA. Be grateful that you have a job and a steady income. But of course that is never enough for you young joiners, always fed with a silver spoon growing up and being impatient (I want, I want, I want now!)

Also, now you have the audacity to say that the TB is "screwing all the SOs and FOs" when you accepted the C scale offer in the first place. Get real!!

I didn't think I'd get better at all

However, as an FO3, please do tell me where I'd make 115,000 a month, plus p-fund and allowances elsewhere. I reckon I've got m ear to the ground, but obviously you know best.

Also - do advise me of which jobs out there I'm not qualified for. 4500hrs 777, 3000 right seat. 1700+ in GA. Batchelors and Masters degrees. I would love to hear all about it (again).

While you're at it, a few yarns from your days in the military wouldn't go amiss.

Oh, that's right, they would.

[McNugget]

Originally Posted by Betsy and Nikki

Ironic ... you joined on C scale thinking you would get better terms and conditions later on in your career. Clearly you didn't do any research on the history between CX management and the AOA. Be grateful that you have a job and a steady income. But of course that is never enough for you young joiners, always fed with a silver spoon growing up and being impatient (I want, I want, I want now!)

Also, now you have the audacity to say that the TB is "screwing all the SOs and FOs" when you accepted the C scale offer in the first place. Get real!!

Strangely enough, I joined expecting better over time. The global market led me to such a conclusion. Funnily enough, that has happened.

I wonder what the future holds.

Any guesses?

[mngmt mole]

Anotherday. You say that freighter crew have the 'right' to quit CC. Huh? Although I appreciate they are particularly affected, it doesn't give them, or any other member, the 'right' to unilaterally quit CC. If they want to resign from the AOA first then certainly. There is no guarantee that each group would share the burden 'evenly'. The only answer to this dysfunctional industrial mess of an airline is to stick together and insist on proper terms and conditions.

[Steve the Pirate]

Originally Posted by mngmt mole

The only answer to this dysfunctional industrial mess of an airline is to stick together and insist on proper terms and conditions.

Insist on? To me, the ability to insist on something depends on being in a position of strength (in this case dependent upon unity) and having significant leverage over the person(s) of whom you are making your demands.

Or did you mean negotiate?

STP

[mngmt mole]

Yes, that.

[Betsy and Nikki]

Originally Posted by McNugget

I didn't think I'd get better at all

Originally Posted by McNugget

Strangely enough, I joined expecting better over time. The global market led me to such a conclusion. Funnily enough, that has happened.

Which one is it? As I previously mentioned to Xwindldg, prior research would have broadened your knowledge.

Originally Posted by McNugget

However, as an FO3, please do tell me where I'd make 115,000 a month, plus p-fund and allowances elsewhere. I reckon I've got m ear to the ground, but obviously you know best.

Also - do advise me of which jobs out there I'm not qualified for. 4500hrs 777, 3000 right seat. 1700+ in GA. Batchelors and Masters degrees. I would love to hear all about it (again).

That is all very good however it is not for me to worry about, rather it is for you to worry about. If you are not happy, then leave. That is what's best.

You must have joined after 2011 as someone who is now on FO3, had a short stint as an S/O (2yrs) compared to some others that were +4yrs. If you are not contempt with gaining experience from the right seat, earning a stable income, travelling the globe and simply being in a rush to get your Command rather than riding out the cycles that the aviation industry brings, then may I suggest that you go to other airlines that offer a quicker command. Maybe the ME as it's closer to home.

Originally Posted by McNugget

While you're at it, a few yarns from your days in the military wouldn't go amiss.

Oh, that's right, they would.

That's all good and well but I've never been in the military. Though, listening to their stories would be a lot more interesting rather than listening to you complain how you have been hard done by

[Dragon69]

FO3 and 4500 hours? How do you figure?

[McNugget]

Originally Posted by Dragon69

FO3 and 4500 hours? How do you figure?

6 and a bit years in. 3 years since jfo upgrade. May be a shade less. Haven't done my logbook tallies in a while, but the point I was making still stands.

[Dragon69]

Originally Posted by McNugget

6 and a bit years in. 3 years since jfo upgrade. May be a shade less. Haven't done my logbook tallies in a while, but the point I was making still stands.

Most airlines don't recognize SO time as you're technically not rated on type.

3x900=2700 You can then exclude bunk time which is roughly 50%. 2700/2=1350. Let's round it up to 1500.

[McNugget]

Originally Posted by Dragon69

Most airlines don't recognize SO time as you're technically not rated on type.

3x900=2700 You can then exclude bunk time which is roughly 50%. 2700/2=1350. Let's round it up to 1500.

Actually, most airlines recognise SO time once you're P1 rated.

And no, my bunk time isn't anywhere near 50%.

Glad you know my logbook better than me.

Back to my point - what does my (lack of) experience preclude me from?

What direct entry FO airline gigs require more than 5000+ total and 3 years right seat?

[Dragon69]

I don't have to know your log book, unless you're fudging hours. In case you haven't figured it out Einstein it ain't difficult to figure out roughly your flying hour. Wasn't difficult to call BS on your inflated numbers.

And you have a Master's degree??? In what knitting??

[SweepTheLeg]

This is depressing

Remember when guys joining Cathay all had minimum 4000-5000 hours? Now all we have are 0-to-hero McNuggets

[McNugget]

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Remember when guys joining Cathay all had minimum 4000-5000 hours? Now all we have are 0-to-hero McNuggets

Yeh, because it isn't rocket science anymore.

[mngmt mole]

Well, yes, until it is. And sadly there are numerous events around the world every year where experience counts far beyond the 'automatics'.

[McNugget]

Originally Posted by mngmt mole

Well, yes, until it is. And sadly there are numerous events around the world every year where experience counts far beyond the 'automatics'.

Correct. And many airlines, CX included, have a very long history of cadet pilots, while maintaining industry-leading safety records.

[Natca]

Originally Posted by McNugget

Correct. And many airlines, CX included, have a very long history of cadet pilots, while maintaining industry-leading safety records.

Only issue is many of those "cadets" dont make it. The real question is what is the cost to benefit ratio.

[TurningFinalRWY36]

any evidence to back that up besides your personal opinion

[McNugget]

Originally Posted by Natca

The real question is what is the cost to benefit ratio.

I think you'll find that in the context of this conversation, that's not the real question at all.