1 July Contracts?
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1 July Contracts?
A few insinuations in a few posts the last while about the new contracts. Managemnet changing them etc, etc. So obviosly nothing changed judging by the lack of posts on the subject today?
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So Gentlemen, with it now being well passed July 1st is there any light on the subject of the new contract?
What is the future for Cathay pilots?
Comments appreciated especially from some of the "Bigger names" here.
What is the future for Cathay pilots?
Comments appreciated especially from some of the "Bigger names" here.
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As a ground expat, items 1-4 have always been 'company
policy'. Never been a problem so far. All three kids at private school. A couple of serious family medical problems over the last two years and the company were absolutely superb.
I also thought housing allowances (rental zones) were adjusted regularly anyway, or did that only apply to us oiks?
policy'. Never been a problem so far. All three kids at private school. A couple of serious family medical problems over the last two years and the company were absolutely superb.
I also thought housing allowances (rental zones) were adjusted regularly anyway, or did that only apply to us oiks?
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I think the point is that up until the first of this month these items have always been part of the contract for expat aircrew. The housing benefit followed a formula agreed upon by the company and the union, now it is no longer part of the contract.
How long have you been a ground expat? Did you survive the last purge by DT or are you a result of it?
How long have you been a ground expat? Did you survive the last purge by DT or are you a result of it?
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Well, I guess if the pilots don't like the new "terms"..they can always leave, as in "go away".
Hear EK is hiring.
Speaking of hiring, guess the recruiter in MNL will be busier now.
New faces of co-operation generally solve "crew problems".
Hear EK is hiring.
Speaking of hiring, guess the recruiter in MNL will be busier now.
New faces of co-operation generally solve "crew problems".
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6feetunder...Yep I understand the point. Whether or not it is/was
right for a single group of permanently employed staff to enjoy a contractually protected benefit whereas the rest did not, is perhaps debatable. Probably not on this forum though!
I guess I was simply trying to make the point that whilst there are sadly still many unhappy people within your group (aircrew) , it doesn't mean EVERYONE within the airline is disenchanted.
JF in the paper today is quoted as saying something like 'now we'll show the people of Hong Kong how Cathay Pacific treats it's employees' (from memory, so apologies for any misquote). Well this employee has always been treated extremely fairly. I wish I had joined earlier in my career. It irritates when I read this stuff.
I certainly don't subscribe to the view the airline is mismanaged, another oft quoted remark from the union guys. There may well be issues of how the pilot body is managed but the airline
mismanged...nah no way. 99% of airlines would kill for our 'problems'. As I've said before, a class act. Great product.
Good luck anyway. Your ground colleagues desperately want all this to go away so we can all concentrate on the real business at hand. I know many aircrew feel the same. It's just the light, right now, seems along way down the tunnel.
Cheers
right for a single group of permanently employed staff to enjoy a contractually protected benefit whereas the rest did not, is perhaps debatable. Probably not on this forum though!
I guess I was simply trying to make the point that whilst there are sadly still many unhappy people within your group (aircrew) , it doesn't mean EVERYONE within the airline is disenchanted.
JF in the paper today is quoted as saying something like 'now we'll show the people of Hong Kong how Cathay Pacific treats it's employees' (from memory, so apologies for any misquote). Well this employee has always been treated extremely fairly. I wish I had joined earlier in my career. It irritates when I read this stuff.
I certainly don't subscribe to the view the airline is mismanaged, another oft quoted remark from the union guys. There may well be issues of how the pilot body is managed but the airline
mismanged...nah no way. 99% of airlines would kill for our 'problems'. As I've said before, a class act. Great product.
Good luck anyway. Your ground colleagues desperately want all this to go away so we can all concentrate on the real business at hand. I know many aircrew feel the same. It's just the light, right now, seems along way down the tunnel.
Cheers
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When I retired from CX, Peter Sutch was the boss. The HKAOA's function was really secodary to Swire's magnanimity. For sure, they conveyed our perceived shortcomings not without argument, but always came to the fore with something like a 13% payrise and improved conditions without much dissent. It was a happy ship all around. How things have changed!?
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HotDog, as you are well aware the change is in the philosophical attitude displayed between management and aircrew. A Captain in a mature organisation knows that he will be protected - even if he makes and admits to an honest mistake. Would that be the case at CX now? Would have to say I would hope so. The meetings between AOA, aircrew and managment to discuss the next years remuneration packages were gentlemenly type affairs where the most difficult question was, who will pay for the drinks after. I wasn't there at the time but I believe a 3per cent pay cut was voted in at one of these meetings. Could it have been that PS, being a pilot himself, knew how to relate to us? You know, most other professions find us quite daunting as we actually enjoy what we do. We have a 'get the job done' attitude which has been abused at many organisations around the world. But at the end of the day would you want to be anything else? A bank teller maybe or an economist or a box packer. No wonder they hate us, we have good hand eye co-ordination, are reasonably intelligent and generally quite articulate. Hey and the girls love us. More power to pilots.
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The amazingly sad fact is that the cost of aircrew compared to the total operating costs of the aircraft have dropped over the past few years.
To save a few dollars with a slight pay cut reinforces to these guys that it can be done again and again when it suits them.
The sad fact is that ultimately they will get exactly what they pay for.
And who will be the first to point the finger when something goes horribly wrong?
Lets just hope it will never come to this.
To save a few dollars with a slight pay cut reinforces to these guys that it can be done again and again when it suits them.
The sad fact is that ultimately they will get exactly what they pay for.
And who will be the first to point the finger when something goes horribly wrong?
Lets just hope it will never come to this.
