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Jetstar Starting. Chief seeks Pay to Fly Captains?

Old 28th Apr 2015, 02:11
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Ask them to offer "pay to manage" CEO positions, and see what the response is. "oh, but we have to attract the best applicants..." and them point out their 'safety first' stance, asking why they don't want the best candidates in command of their aircraft. It will bite them. They will all be solemn faced, head bowed around the smoking hole in the ground, just like Fernandez, but never accept any personal responsibility for the result of their decisions.
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 04:09
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Yes "iwishiwasupthere", been there done that all over OZ in my bug smasher, small turboprop and regional turboprop. The ingrained lessons and discipline are things no one can take away from you.
Sadly, I get TT2500hr guys telling me on a daily basis they are up for command in 6months and are fully ready for it.
Such is aviation - right place and right time
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 04:53
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Betpump I said "most".

I have seen the rubbish churned out by schools in Malaysia, Indonesia and the Phillipines.

The cadets from Air China/Vietnam Airlines etc are sent to good schools in the west but on return all the good work is undone when they are sent to fly with local captains.

You managed to name pretty much all the exceptions.
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 05:46
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Flying chipmunk

non standard RT
Anyone who is not British fits this description.
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 07:26
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betpump: Re your
non standard RT - Anyone who is not British fits this description.
Totally biased, argumentative, elitist.... I bloody love it!

(Did I mention - correct?)
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 11:27
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Yep. Like "Fully Ready" I always hear from the British lads.
Makes as much sense as fully pregnant, or fully dead.

Don't think I've ever called partially ready. Maybe I should try it

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Old 28th Apr 2015, 11:36
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partiallly ready
Actually fairly accurately describes a lot of foreigner's and colonials, sitting there with sharpened Guava Halves ready to fight off HM Forces - didn't really work out back in the day either, did it?
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 12:06
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I thought you British types would be all up to speed on the English language. Seeing as how it's yours. It's just "fully " is superfluous and makes no sense at all. Why not say " absolutely 100% totally fully ready". That's better

Unfortunately the " fully ready " contagion has spread and now non native English speakers are using it and think they are making perfect sense.

Thread drift, I know
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 12:20
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Ready in turn ? What's the options ? I'm ready out of turn ? I'm ready before my turn ?

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Old 28th Apr 2015, 13:26
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I get the " ready in turn" because it kind of makes sense I guess. I get the fully established, meaning you are established on both loc and Gs, but fully ready?? That's just embarrassing for anyone who speaks English as a first language.

The call is "ready" by the way. That's for all the non native English speakers who may have been confused.
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 14:27
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Giggerty

1-Th Brit expats always seem more British/correct when away from home, I was listening on Kensington High Street, fully ready, would probably have gone unnoticed as being grammatically incorrect..more so in Liverpool or Yorkshire - though I concede we are supposed to be professional aviators using prescribed terminology.
2- What I have noticed, particularly in SE Asia, is guys (pardon the pun) not being absolutely (fully) ready upon line up. Just yesterday an aircraft called ready for take-off and was given an immediate take-off, upon which, the crew announced they needed 1 min So I surmise that as most of the ATC are not native English speakers the "fully" ready, is used to establish if chaps are almost ready or in a full state of readiness.

Back to the thread, yes have heard the JHK CP has ideas of setting up his own in-house P2F scheme, obviously it won't get far, unless Joyce, Ms Ho et al sign off, then again they have to find a way to recoup the $$$ lost thus far.
Surely HKCAD will have other ideas.

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Old 28th Apr 2015, 17:10
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Where is it written that Jetstar HK has got approval to start operations in Hong Kong?
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Old 29th Apr 2015, 01:02
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giggerty

Your argument is fully inconsistent.

If you think 'fully established' and 'ready in turn' are acceptable and 'fully ready' at the gate is not then you haven't thought this through.

Try 'localizer established' and 'established', 'ready' and 'ready'.

Of course what 'fully ready' implies is; 'the-doors-really-are-all-closed-now-and-the-tug-is-connected-can-we-go-please?!'

Now, will Jetstar HK ever be Established & Ready?...
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Old 29th Apr 2015, 01:20
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Originally Posted by Girlfriend in Akoma View Post
Of course what 'fully ready' implies is; 'the-doors-really-are-all-closed-now-and-the-tug-is-connected-can-we-go-please?!'
Full Definition of READY

1
a : prepared mentally or physically for some experience or action
b : prepared for immediate use <dinner is ready>
2
a : willingly disposed : inclined <ready to agree to his proposal>
b : likely to do something indicated <a house that looks ready to collapse>
3
: displayed readily and spontaneously <a ready wit>
4
: immediately available <had ready cash>

.....and if the doors are not, it would be ready in (insert number) minute/s!

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Old 29th Apr 2015, 07:07
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So Girlfriend let me get this straight.

You call "ready" when you are not yet ready,
But you call "fully ready" when you are "ready". Is this some sort of secret code you have with the controller that we are not privy too?

Why not call ready when you're ready, and nothing when you're not??

Jetstar? Is it happening?
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Old 29th Apr 2015, 07:42
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1/ yes there are some silly calls on the RT
2/ we all cheat advising ready ( for push ) when the doors are open and we expect to have them closed soonish, we ALL do it.

Like the Germans we need to get our towel down on the runway first otherwise we'll have to wait a bit longer......

Back to topic...


****** edited to keep "him" happy....******

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Old 29th Apr 2015, 11:55
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For those wishing to take their English to an advanced level, "Fully Ready" is a good example of tautology

Cheers

ps that means that the "Fully" is superfluous.
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Old 29th Apr 2015, 12:50
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Additionally, for those wishing to take their English to an advanced level, "momentarily" means "for a moment", not "in a moment" as some people mistakenly believe.
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Old 29th Apr 2015, 14:10
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And awesome means awe inspiring. As in fantastic scenery or a sunrise over the Andes or, an incredible piece of life saving surgery.
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Old 29th Apr 2015, 15:09
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I get all my updates from a friend that knows a pilot at Jetstar Hong Kong
What equipment they on Frank.........???
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