CX Pilot arrested at Heathrow for possession of knives
FL
Well said. I think Main Dog best summed it up. My experiences and views were summed up earlier in the thread.
Luckily in my declining years I spend more time on the other side of the field and do not often have to pass through the pax terminals with the cattle.
The whole airport security industry is just that...an industry...that is unlikely to give up it's multi billion dollar rice bowl without a fight.
Personally I can understand why a lot of the mid-career pilots in many major carriers are becoming more and more disaffected with the career they have chosen. Years of sacrifice only to be subject to a proctologists report every time they go to work.
Not to mention being treated by management as overpaid muppets. Interesting that CX management has singled out the pilot group for no pay rises for a number of years while succumbing the FA union ( and good on the FA union...thinking of joining myself).
It's a race to the bottom but I guess that applies across society as the pyramid upon which economic theory is based has become inverted.
I enjoy your work.
Well said. I think Main Dog best summed it up. My experiences and views were summed up earlier in the thread.
Luckily in my declining years I spend more time on the other side of the field and do not often have to pass through the pax terminals with the cattle.
The whole airport security industry is just that...an industry...that is unlikely to give up it's multi billion dollar rice bowl without a fight.
Personally I can understand why a lot of the mid-career pilots in many major carriers are becoming more and more disaffected with the career they have chosen. Years of sacrifice only to be subject to a proctologists report every time they go to work.
Not to mention being treated by management as overpaid muppets. Interesting that CX management has singled out the pilot group for no pay rises for a number of years while succumbing the FA union ( and good on the FA union...thinking of joining myself).
It's a race to the bottom but I guess that applies across society as the pyramid upon which economic theory is based has become inverted.
I enjoy your work.
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Gosh..you crack me up! TG, I hope your are around to reply immediately just to mess with their minds!
Sorry, I can't take the 'crew' out..will stay true to myself. I get many who say I am good with my knowledge on security and safety, but your remarks really does bring it home, thanks again...
Now getting back to the main topic, I believe the poor FO made a silly unintentional mistake, hope he is pardoned for it...he is a decent chap, I've been informed!
Once again, LHR were good this time I came through..yes, they are considered to be a pain in the A*** and that's coz it is the most irritating way to go through security dragging bags, getting on and of the crew bus...and then they do drugs
Tests, their equipment is a tad different compared to what we are used to, pretty high tech really...but hey, 'crew' don't like to be checked...so whinge away.. So what if it's to keep everyone safe....
Sorry, I can't take the 'crew' out..will stay true to myself. I get many who say I am good with my knowledge on security and safety, but your remarks really does bring it home, thanks again...
Now getting back to the main topic, I believe the poor FO made a silly unintentional mistake, hope he is pardoned for it...he is a decent chap, I've been informed!
Once again, LHR were good this time I came through..yes, they are considered to be a pain in the A*** and that's coz it is the most irritating way to go through security dragging bags, getting on and of the crew bus...and then they do drugs
Tests, their equipment is a tad different compared to what we are used to, pretty high tech really...but hey, 'crew' don't like to be checked...so whinge away.. So what if it's to keep everyone safe....
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Ignored? What have I done now? 
Guess Honesty is not the best policy for some...
You'll attacked my profile, said nothing about my post and then ignore me? The truth hurts I guess... Anyways, I'm over and out on this one...Rejoice!
Guess Honesty is not the best policy for some...
You'll attacked my profile, said nothing about my post and then ignore me? The truth hurts I guess... Anyways, I'm over and out on this one...Rejoice!
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Agree re main dog's post. Excellent.
p_r
When you find yourself in a hole, it's usually best to stop digging.
For someone who prides himself upon his familiarity with security matters, you are extraordinarily naïve. Surely by now it should have occurred to you that I have worked out who you are (both your usernames) and your role?
I enjoy PPRuNe and am not going to jeopardise my membership by saying any more here, tempting though it is. However, if you wish to PM me, feel free. I'll then reveal what I know and perhaps you'll explain why you persist in claiming to be crew.
I've also been told the pilot is well regarded but if your informant has told you he's an FO then I suggest you seek a more reliable informant.
Agree re main dog's post. Excellent.
p_r
Gosh..you crack me up! TG, I hope your are around to reply immediately just to mess with their minds!
For someone who prides himself upon his familiarity with security matters, you are extraordinarily naïve. Surely by now it should have occurred to you that I have worked out who you are (both your usernames) and your role?
Sorry, I can't take the 'crew' out..will stay true to myself.
I believe the poor FO ..... is a decent chap, I've been informed!
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Just to lighten up the mood a little...
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at the same time, I have to say I've never personally met an unreasonable security guard, those I met all seem to do an effort to make individual decisions despite silly rules, and I got to keep knives, toy gun, and cough syrup ("because it's christmas", absolutely lovely, no sarcasm), I discarded numerous water bottles, yoghurt, some nail clippers and one particularly expensive shower gel without hard feelings, and when I very rarely get the pat down treatment, they look apologetically at me and say "not your fault, it's the random beep", and I worry about the discomfort for that person. Heathrow is a particular headache though.
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Like all aspects of life you get good bad and indifferent.
As crew we welcome consistency, but the reality is that's never going to happen, individual states will allways have different security agendas and will acordingly apply different regulations.
What annoys and upsets are the power hungry, who I have to say are in the small minority. But they are the ones who ruin your day and who you remember. Like in all walks of life you remember and talk about the rude and nasty, rarely do you go out of your way to praise the good.
Is there realy any need to shout loudly in public at a visiting crew that they should know by now that at Xxxx (where incidentally they have never been before) all phones have to be put in the blue trays, or whatever other rule they are having a crackdown on this week.
What happened to staff lanes? At a lot of uk airports this is mixed in with pax and in some cases the priority card holding pax have priority over crew!
Sadly the calls for common sense will go unheeded as costs are driven down and ever more stringent rule based processes are implemented.
As crew we welcome consistency, but the reality is that's never going to happen, individual states will allways have different security agendas and will acordingly apply different regulations.
What annoys and upsets are the power hungry, who I have to say are in the small minority. But they are the ones who ruin your day and who you remember. Like in all walks of life you remember and talk about the rude and nasty, rarely do you go out of your way to praise the good.
Is there realy any need to shout loudly in public at a visiting crew that they should know by now that at Xxxx (where incidentally they have never been before) all phones have to be put in the blue trays, or whatever other rule they are having a crackdown on this week.
What happened to staff lanes? At a lot of uk airports this is mixed in with pax and in some cases the priority card holding pax have priority over crew!
Sadly the calls for common sense will go unheeded as costs are driven down and ever more stringent rule based processes are implemented.
What happened to staff lanes? At a lot of uk airports this is mixed in with pax and in some cases the priority card holding pax have priority over crew!
You've reminded me of when I was in the "mixed" security lane at a U.S. airport. A CC asked if she could go ahead. I said:
"No, because I am late for my flight."
"Well, you can't leave without us."
"True, but you can leave without me."
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Thanks for the update.
However this does raise other questions, principally why the police decided an arrest was the appropriate response to this matter?
The CPS (I believe) decide whether or not to take the case forward, but this seems to have been massive overreaction by the arresting officer.
Again though it is easy to try and second guess the man (or) woman on the spot.
Thanks for the update.
However this does raise other questions, principally why the police decided an arrest was the appropriate response to this matter?
The CPS (I believe) decide whether or not to take the case forward, but this seems to have been massive overreaction by the arresting officer.
Again though it is easy to try and second guess the man (or) woman on the spot.
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Good news. It appears that what the pilot did was not criminal. But, in order to make absolutely sure that this doesn't happen to anyone of us, possibly due to an overzealous officer.....
....more details would be welcome so that the same doesn't happen again.
So what exactly was he carrying?
....more details would be welcome so that the same doesn't happen again.
So what exactly was he carrying?
So how come there has been no "please by guided accordingly" letters from the Boeing CP? Surely he could be passing on important info like this to his crew SO IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN......
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So how come there has been no "please by guided accordingly" letters from the Boeing CP? Surely he could be passing on important info like this to his crew SO IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN......
We don't know any details about what happened do we?
The guys been let off so it must have been a storm in a tea cup.
It would be nice for the CP to at the very least provide some guidance so others can't make the same mistake........
The guys been let off so it must have been a storm in a tea cup.
It would be nice for the CP to at the very least provide some guidance so others can't make the same mistake........
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The implications of this go beyond just 1 airline, so I was surprised that the mods moved the thread hear.
I was hoping that FL would be able to update on what happened.
What was he carrying?
Why did the police arrest?
Why did the CPS decide to quietly drop the whole thing? Which is not the same as being let off.
The power of arrest is a very important one and should not be open to abuse by overreacting police officers.
If that is the case it is important that they are held accountable for their actions.
As professional pilots agreed we should have enough sense not to carry swords, bayonets, bladed weapons etc in our baggage. However it seems very likely that this is not what occurred here.
What may be legally carried elsewhere, may be a criminal offence in the uk. Not all states are equal.
I was hoping that FL would be able to update on what happened.
What was he carrying?
Why did the police arrest?
Why did the CPS decide to quietly drop the whole thing? Which is not the same as being let off.
The power of arrest is a very important one and should not be open to abuse by overreacting police officers.
If that is the case it is important that they are held accountable for their actions.
As professional pilots agreed we should have enough sense not to carry swords, bayonets, bladed weapons etc in our baggage. However it seems very likely that this is not what occurred here.
What may be legally carried elsewhere, may be a criminal offence in the uk. Not all states are equal.
