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Old 21st Aug 2014, 06:36
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Kestrel attitude to pay is exactly why this industry is in the mess it is. I'm just glad I'm about to retire, and I will leave it to all the young guns to destroy it completely.
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Old 22nd Aug 2014, 01:30
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You also get a salary all the way through
You don't get a full salary. They will put you on training pay.

Bonds are only industry standard if you believe they are. You've made your decision. Until you get here you won't believe what anyone who actually lives here will tell you.
A word of advice for everyone. It doesn't matter what you fly. What matters is lifestyle (pay and days off for the naive) and living in a place that makes you happy.
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Old 30th Aug 2014, 15:19
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Relocation Allowance...?

Hi there,

I have an interview in HK soon and I was wondering if anybody knew if HK Express or HK Airlines pay any form of relocation allowance? (Air Fares/ Baggage Allowance/etc). I found an earlier post on PPRuNe but I think it was relating to Dragon Air.

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If they do is this limited to flights within their own network or will it cover me and the wife from Europe? Is it also a legal requirement for airlines in HK to pay for relocation allowances or is this really just company specific and a bonus?

Any advice would be appreciated cheers....



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Old 6th Sep 2014, 10:52
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any idea for upgrade to command for senior FO.. in this airline these days.
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Old 6th Sep 2014, 11:40
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No chance, guaranteed. They upgraded only 6 people in HKA and HKE in last 6 years or so. And they ate trying to upgrade only locals. But I am not sure if the people I quote is not too high. that is the reason many FO's are leaving.
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Old 6th Sep 2014, 13:24
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thanks PBY..

6 in 6 years.. I surprise they got enough crew.

well i guess get the type and run...like the triads are after you with machetes and 3 by 2s....
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 04:57
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Hey guys, also have an interview soon. Can anyone give a bit more info regarding the process who has been through it recently? Ive pm'd a couple guys with no response. Thanks.
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Old 12th Sep 2014, 06:50
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Post Pay attention I will only say this once

Interview Process:
1. Panel Interview with management pilots
2. Simulator Assessment
3. COMPASS Test
4. Medical Check
5. English Test

The simulator is done completely raw data. Expect to do V1 Cut, ILS Go around and other airwork such as intercepting a VOR Radial.

Salary
All salary is based on 50hrs guaranteed. If you fly more than 50hrs in the month you will be payed at an overtime hourly rate. On average expect to fly about 70hrs a month. The numbers quoted below is the total salary.

There is a relocation allowance.

First Officer
<1500hrs Jet = HK$53750
1500-3000hrs Jet = HK$68750
3000hrs+ Jet = HK$78750

Captain
<3000hrs Jet PIC = HK$106250
3000hrs+ Jet PIC = HK$116250

28 Days Annual Leave + Wrap around days off before and after you leave periods.
14 Days Sick Leave

Command Upgrades
HKE has always had a very active upgrade program. It was stopped due to the fleet change but has now started again this month. There are already a number of candidates selected for the coming months.Selection is based on seniority and you are required to be in the company for 12months and meet all flying experience requirements. Line captains are asked to submit their choices to training department as to who they think are suitable for promotion.

Lifestyle
Normally about 10 days off per month
3 Red eye flights per month
1 Overnight per month (Tokyo - may be removed during winter schedule)

The flying is good. The crews are very nice to work with. A good mixture from all around the world.

The company currently has 8 aircraft with the 9 by years end and many more coming next year.

The culture and standards of HKE is very different to Hong Kong Airlines. They are 2 separate companies.
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Old 14th Sep 2014, 13:33
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Are those pay figures based on 50 or 70 hours a month? And does that figure comprise of a combination of things? Ie. base salary plus flying pay plus per diem. Etc.?

How do those figures compare to HKA?
 
Old 15th Sep 2014, 01:53
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Salary is based on 50hrs
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Old 18th Sep 2014, 07:07
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HKE Insider... quick question.

Sigmar just sent me an email regarding HKE... numbers come out as you say. Talk of a bonus also - 12/24/36month and accom for first 2 weeks.

Anyway my question... I've seen HKE recruiting directly. Do pilots generally go through an agency or do some people apply/work/contract directly to/for the airline? If so is there any variation in benefits that you know of vs agency?

Secondly, is Sigmar generally the agency of choice or are there different/more preferable ones?

Thanks.
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Old 18th Sep 2014, 12:44
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The biggest mistake, I've been told, of aspiring HKE or HKA pilots is that they underestimate the cost of living and hence the lifestyle they'll have. I may sound like a lot of money to the uneducated (HK prices).

Be very cautions about you long term goals..
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Old 18th Sep 2014, 13:05
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Wise if not fairly obvious advise For once Yeager ....almost a shame you've carved out such a niche market on this forum for being such a complete and utter Tool
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Old 19th Sep 2014, 00:51
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Has it ever occurred to you Sorvad, that your none contributing comments are really just a reflection of yourself.. being a "working" ant, at CX, you should certainly know what being a tool is - I gotta give you that credit..
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Old 19th Sep 2014, 02:23
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Talk of a bonus also - 12/24/36month and accom for first 2 weeks
Yes

Do pilots generally go through an agency or do some people apply/work/contract directly to/for the airline? If so is there any variation in benefits that you know of vs agency?
All pilots as I'm aware of are hired directly by the airline
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Old 19th Sep 2014, 07:58
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If 20 days off last month makes me a working ant, then I am quite content to be one
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Old 19th Sep 2014, 08:07
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I like the 'none' contributing comment too Yeager....it carries particular weight coming from you
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Old 19th Sep 2014, 10:41
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... Ok thanks HKE Insider.
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Old 21st Sep 2014, 00:23
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I was reading about the wife of an expat who was relocating to HKG. She was told her housing allowance was "reasonable". Her housing allowance was $75,000 HKD per month.
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Old 21st Sep 2014, 01:05
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the "reasonable" housing allowance, it should reach to HK$100,000 per month !
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