B748i or A380 order?
Now that you mention it, I do have a vague recollection of that monstrosity (easy to understand why I'd purged it from the memory).
The good news is that concept morphed into the 777.
Seeing the reminds me of a concept floating around before the 747-400 to put a full length upper deck on the 747 using a 767 fuselage top half. It would have been even more ugly than the A380
The good news is that concept morphed into the 777.
Seeing the reminds me of a concept floating around before the 747-400 to put a full length upper deck on the 747 using a 767 fuselage top half. It would have been even more ugly than the A380
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Good read guys. Thanks for all the info. I'd call Don's numbers "ballpark," certainly appreciate the effort Don. While we can't know EK's in-house numbers, we certainly know their moves. Starting March '14 they're starting a 3rd 380 service on DXB-HKG-DXB, EK382/383. Are they really flying empty 380's back and forth and doubling down on this strategy? Hmmm.
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The question for CX is as before, how much volume is left over in the fwd and aft cargo of an A380 with a full load of pax?
This is why CX loves the 777ER as it's got the volume not just the weight with a full load.
I saw what looked like at least 6 double wide pallets go into the fwd cargo of a LHR bound 777 flight plus a few double wide pallets in the back, a 748I will struggle with that and the A380 more so.
This is why CX loves the 777ER as it's got the volume not just the weight with a full load.
I saw what looked like at least 6 double wide pallets go into the fwd cargo of a LHR bound 777 flight plus a few double wide pallets in the back, a 748I will struggle with that and the A380 more so.
While we can't know EK's in-house numbers, we certainly know their moves.
The question for CX is as before, how much volume is left over in the fwd and aft cargo of an A380 with a full load of pax?
In comparison the total available on the CX 744 without baggage is 30 LD3-AKE containers or 9 pallets, the 77W is 44 LD3-AKE containers or 14 pallets.
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Good to know they're heavily hedging their bets on that promising, juicy cargo market then.
...One way to avoid dealing with these pesky, whiny, needy passengers who keep asking for water all the time. I mean, imagine 500 of them! Where would you keep that many salt and pepper shakers?
...One way to avoid dealing with these pesky, whiny, needy passengers who keep asking for water all the time. I mean, imagine 500 of them! Where would you keep that many salt and pepper shakers?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXRL...e_gdata_player
8% more fuel efficient, 26% trip cost advantage, 30% more revenue cargo volume than the A380
8% more fuel efficient, 26% trip cost advantage, 30% more revenue cargo volume than the A380
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That's a bit of a cheesy video, but it certainly works better than a reciprocal video about the A380.
Imagine:
"I'm the world's only super jumbo and flying vagina. I look horrible on the outside, but it's what is inside that counts, unless we're referring to wing cracks which is different. As long as my owners sell all 500+ seats next to yours, I might actually make money. I'm proof that those Yanks aren't as exceptional as they think they are. Buy me and together we'll hope the world's economy does not take a turn for the worse. Because if it does, you're broke and I'm parked. Oh, don't worry about all that cargo talk, freight hauling is for ships and trains. I haul backpackers on their low budget vacations. Bon Voyage!"
Imagine:
"I'm the world's only super jumbo and flying vagina. I look horrible on the outside, but it's what is inside that counts, unless we're referring to wing cracks which is different. As long as my owners sell all 500+ seats next to yours, I might actually make money. I'm proof that those Yanks aren't as exceptional as they think they are. Buy me and together we'll hope the world's economy does not take a turn for the worse. Because if it does, you're broke and I'm parked. Oh, don't worry about all that cargo talk, freight hauling is for ships and trains. I haul backpackers on their low budget vacations. Bon Voyage!"
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I don't buy Boeing's claim for 8% better seat costs. That is based off an unrealistic number of seats in the -8I, specifically 467 which is about 50 or so too high. Trip costs and cargo capabilities are certainly much better for the -8I however. That much is accurate.
swh,
Typical ek loading is as follows,
so 8 LD36/PMC and 20 AKE for the 773ER and 6 LD36/PMC and 22 AKE for the 380. EK has the crew rest on the lower pax deck instead of the cargo hold to fit more containers.
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Typical ek loading is as follows,
so 8 LD36/PMC and 20 AKE for the 773ER and 6 LD36/PMC and 22 AKE for the 380. EK has the crew rest on the lower pax deck instead of the cargo hold to fit more containers.
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I am not sure CX. I have been told 3 or 4, but have no idea if that is right or not.
These extra containers are not the real problem over here. Our 77Ws are heavier than yours. They have an extra 57 seats, and have 8 1st class suites which weigh lots. They are TOW limited at about 11hr to 12hr sector length, depending on the temperature. The 380 will carry max ZFW out to 14hrs (for the old ones) and 15hrs (for the new ones). So on ULR flights the 380 is carrying the same if not more cargo as well as the extra Pax. Hence why ULR flying is drifting from the 77W to the 380 over here.
On a sector length under 12hrs the 777 can carry 10t of cargo more than the 380.
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These extra containers are not the real problem over here. Our 77Ws are heavier than yours. They have an extra 57 seats, and have 8 1st class suites which weigh lots. They are TOW limited at about 11hr to 12hr sector length, depending on the temperature. The 380 will carry max ZFW out to 14hrs (for the old ones) and 15hrs (for the new ones). So on ULR flights the 380 is carrying the same if not more cargo as well as the extra Pax. Hence why ULR flying is drifting from the 77W to the 380 over here.
On a sector length under 12hrs the 777 can carry 10t of cargo more than the 380.
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The 380 will carry max ZFW out to 14hrs (for the old ones) and 15hrs (for the new ones).
Any idea when these aircraft will be deployed on 215/225 ?
So on ULR flights the 380 is carrying the same if not more cargo as well as the extra Pax.
On a sector length under 12hrs the 777 can carry 10t of cargo more than the 380.
From EEF on we are seeing about 600 to 700kg/hr saving in burn, depending on sector length. The latest ones are outdoing that by about another 150kg/hr. DOWs have also reduced by about 2 to 3t from the original ones.
215 starts in Dec 2013. Rumour has it that there is no rush for the 225 as premium loads aren't that good. So not sure about that one.
I know what you mean about the heresy talk. There are still a few flat earthers over here.
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215 starts in Dec 2013. Rumour has it that there is no rush for the 225 as premium loads aren't that good. So not sure about that one.
I know what you mean about the heresy talk. There are still a few flat earthers over here.
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330,
"Just a small point, Cathay will never buy either the 748i or the Airbus A380."
Do you know that for a fact? If so, I'd be interested in your source.
JS will not be CEO much longer. What's IC's position?
What if CX cannot get 777X until 2025? Can the 77W and A350 hold down the fort until then?
Does having a true flagship no longer matter?
No sarcasm, honest questions.
"Just a small point, Cathay will never buy either the 748i or the Airbus A380."
Do you know that for a fact? If so, I'd be interested in your source.
JS will not be CEO much longer. What's IC's position?
What if CX cannot get 777X until 2025? Can the 77W and A350 hold down the fort until then?
Does having a true flagship no longer matter?
No sarcasm, honest questions.
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JS will not be CEO much longer. What's IC's position?