Good read guys. Thanks for all the info. I'd call Don's numbers "ballpark," certainly appreciate the effort Don. While we can't know EK's in-house numbers, we certainly know their moves. Starting March '14 they're starting a 3rd 380 service on DXB-HKG-DXB, EK382/383. Are they really flying empty 380's back and forth and doubling down on this strategy? Hmmm.