Mainland Adults Bullying Young White Kid
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That was truly horrendous - I kept watching because I was hoping to at least see some form of positive conclusion like the child being carried away to safety. Unfortunately I didnt get to see that.
I am a big mean guy that has worked the doors of some of the roughest bars in Oz for flying training money. I've seen shootings, stabbings, had knives pulled on me and have been in some very nasty brawls with some real hard chaps.........but that video..........I'm still shaking like a leaf.
I used to live in mainland China, specifically Shijiazhuang and Baotou (near Beijing and nth west China respectively), and I never witnessed anything such as that. To imagine that other adults would stand there and not intervene is something that I truly cannot comprehend.
Does anyone have any info as to where (province) that this occurred or may have occurred???
I am a big mean guy that has worked the doors of some of the roughest bars in Oz for flying training money. I've seen shootings, stabbings, had knives pulled on me and have been in some very nasty brawls with some real hard chaps.........but that video..........I'm still shaking like a leaf.
I used to live in mainland China, specifically Shijiazhuang and Baotou (near Beijing and nth west China respectively), and I never witnessed anything such as that. To imagine that other adults would stand there and not intervene is something that I truly cannot comprehend.
Does anyone have any info as to where (province) that this occurred or may have occurred???
There's always a reason - whether it's a good reason is another thing.
Big brave Stripey standing on his hand may be a clue. Had he been caught nicking?
I was once surrounded by Gypsy kids in Rome trying to mob me and pick my pockets. They beat it when I shouted at them. If they hadn't I wouldn't have hesitated to whack them.
Big brave Stripey standing on his hand may be a clue. Had he been caught nicking?
I was once surrounded by Gypsy kids in Rome trying to mob me and pick my pockets. They beat it when I shouted at them. If they hadn't I wouldn't have hesitated to whack them.
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I appreciate there may have been a cause however if there is any substance to my suspisions that it is an Uyghur boy keep in mind that economic growth in Xianging has been accompanied by mass immigration by Han Chinese people and increasing unemployment for the Uyghur.
In a country with perhaps unemployed parents and no social security safety net, that boys situation is different from the professional gypsy gangs in Rome and elsewhere.
In a country with perhaps unemployed parents and no social security safety net, that boys situation is different from the professional gypsy gangs in Rome and elsewhere.
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From someone then.
Basil, the arrogance (Not from you fella, not from you) is as breathtaking as the justification you offer. There is no justification.
Pretty tough guys knocking around a kid who's two feet tall.
Basil, the arrogance (Not from you fella, not from you) is as breathtaking as the justification you offer. There is no justification.
Pretty tough guys knocking around a kid who's two feet tall.
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I'm trying to imagine this happening anywhere else in the world. The only place that I could conceive of this mindless cruelty is deepest darkest tribal Africa. That boy was in fear of his very life....and the 'adults' that subjected him to it are beyond comprehension. I will never look at the Chinese the same way again. I hope this becomes a VERY big story soon.
OK, I'll explain just this once for those of you who place your own interpretation on others postings.
1. I agree that it was a disgusting and troubling sight as most have said. Had I disagreed I'd have said so.
2. I made no attempt to justify the action.
3. I stand by my original posting.
4. "you need a bit of a wake up call" seems to me to be an arrogant personal attack. Don't do it again!
1. I agree that it was a disgusting and troubling sight as most have said. Had I disagreed I'd have said so.
2. I made no attempt to justify the action.
3. I stand by my original posting.
4. "you need a bit of a wake up call" seems to me to be an arrogant personal attack. Don't do it again!
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That is one of the worst things I have ever seen. If the moderators could forward it to the relevant authorities, media lobby groups etc.It's disgusting. Having known some mainlanders I know there are people in china who would be equally disgusted. Physical child abuse is something that no one on this planet has a right to inflict on another person. If you want to make the comment and make a joke that it "was like my JFO training" I can understand rash off the cuff comments but this is serious. It's someone's life which any of us could have been born into. Not everything is up for a laugh.
Very sad, lemondog.
Very sad, lemondog.
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It is very disturbing and absolutely wrong and unconscionable.
However, this incident is extremely minor compared to unimaginable suffering caused by thousands of years of organized mental abuse, brainwashing, physical abuse, torture, assault and sexual assault of men, women, boys, girls and very young children, all over the world, by those running religions or using religions as justification.
It is not just the Roman Catholics that are famous for ruining countless lives by using their evil tactics and power to rape boys, enabled by the money given by their followers to cover it up, protect the offenders and allow them to continue. The vast groups of victims of faith-based offenders is beyond comprehension.
The oppression, torture and abuse against females and certain races often makes the headlines of history, but take a look around the Islamic, Jewish, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist and Shinto worlds, to name but a few, to see every type of abuse of males and females, young and old, of all races and ages and cultures, with everything from slavery to circumcision to honour killings to Nazi sympathizers to Crusade-based genocide to ethnic cleansing by gang rape to sending young men into horrendous combat, all in the name of god.
What exactly will it take to get people to see what is still going on today, almost everywhere?
However, this incident is extremely minor compared to unimaginable suffering caused by thousands of years of organized mental abuse, brainwashing, physical abuse, torture, assault and sexual assault of men, women, boys, girls and very young children, all over the world, by those running religions or using religions as justification.
It is not just the Roman Catholics that are famous for ruining countless lives by using their evil tactics and power to rape boys, enabled by the money given by their followers to cover it up, protect the offenders and allow them to continue. The vast groups of victims of faith-based offenders is beyond comprehension.
The oppression, torture and abuse against females and certain races often makes the headlines of history, but take a look around the Islamic, Jewish, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist and Shinto worlds, to name but a few, to see every type of abuse of males and females, young and old, of all races and ages and cultures, with everything from slavery to circumcision to honour killings to Nazi sympathizers to Crusade-based genocide to ethnic cleansing by gang rape to sending young men into horrendous combat, all in the name of god.
What exactly will it take to get people to see what is still going on today, almost everywhere?
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Are you serious Iron? I'm not sure what this thread is doing on an aviation forum in the first place but since you raise your somewhat biased view, as a concerned Christian I can't help but comment. May I suggest that the abuse by what you call 'religion' is really just a result of our fallen human nature coupled with power and greed. I agree that all religions are guilty, and this certainly includes the religion of Secular Humanism. Just look at Stalin, Hitler and Mao to get some idea of what human nature is capable of without the restraint of real morality.
And while we are talking of morality, I can't help but wonder what humanists are thinking when they talk about ethics or morals without God. If there is no moral law maker above man then it simply becomes a matter of opinion. You may think that what happened in that video was 'disturbing and absolutely wrong and unconscionable' but clearly the people involved didn't. So who is right Iron, you or them? If it is you then why? Don't get me wrong I certainly agree, although I haven't actually viewed the video and probably won't, but I agree because God's morality says so, not because of what I think or what you think.
Ultimately what Jesus actually taught is in total opposition to this kind of behavior and if you would care to look the bible actually describes the reality of our fallen world very accurately, and with respect, this includes attitudes like yours. Real Christianity is not a 'religion' but a personal relationship with the real Jesus Christ. But of course this is nothing new, mankind has been rejecting God and doing his own thing from the beginning. God bless.
And while we are talking of morality, I can't help but wonder what humanists are thinking when they talk about ethics or morals without God. If there is no moral law maker above man then it simply becomes a matter of opinion. You may think that what happened in that video was 'disturbing and absolutely wrong and unconscionable' but clearly the people involved didn't. So who is right Iron, you or them? If it is you then why? Don't get me wrong I certainly agree, although I haven't actually viewed the video and probably won't, but I agree because God's morality says so, not because of what I think or what you think.
Ultimately what Jesus actually taught is in total opposition to this kind of behavior and if you would care to look the bible actually describes the reality of our fallen world very accurately, and with respect, this includes attitudes like yours. Real Christianity is not a 'religion' but a personal relationship with the real Jesus Christ. But of course this is nothing new, mankind has been rejecting God and doing his own thing from the beginning. God bless.
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A walk around Harbour City on a weekend will show you exactly what kind of people the citizens of PRC are.
The most arrogant, rude, ignorant, selfish, stupid and ugliest race of people to inhabit this planet.
Fortunately, their own greed will be be their eventual downfall
The most arrogant, rude, ignorant, selfish, stupid and ugliest race of people to inhabit this planet.
Fortunately, their own greed will be be their eventual downfall
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While I cannot disagree with the general feelings expressed about the video in this thread, I just want to make sure we don't say anything racist or make over-generalizations - which would morally bring us to the same level as the adults in the video.
yes, there are no excuses nor justifications for that
yes, that was f-ing disgusting and wrong on so many levels
I too gave been around HK and seen these arrogant, rude and disgusting tourists....
but we cannot let this be a representation of all of the chinese people or think that everybody from china is like this. Im sure just like in Europe and America there are good people and then there are people who ared really f?*ked in the head...
anyways just wanted to share my thoughts before this thread turns into a racist one...
but anyways...continuing with the topic, I too hope there is a place in hell for people like this
yes, there are no excuses nor justifications for that
yes, that was f-ing disgusting and wrong on so many levels
I too gave been around HK and seen these arrogant, rude and disgusting tourists....
but we cannot let this be a representation of all of the chinese people or think that everybody from china is like this. Im sure just like in Europe and America there are good people and then there are people who ared really f?*ked in the head...
anyways just wanted to share my thoughts before this thread turns into a racist one...
but anyways...continuing with the topic, I too hope there is a place in hell for people like this
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If your moral compass is so weak that you need "a higher power" to tell you that what is happening to that poor child is wrong then you are no different than those people sitting there watching indifferently.
Empathy for a suffering creature has nothing to do with religion. If anything, the lack of religion frees you from caring ONLY for those of your kind but for EVERYONE, regardless of faith.
And before you tell me that personal religion and organized religion are two different things, I ask you - how come more followers don't speak out against their own organizations when they commit atrocities?
But anyway, we digress into the argument that religion = morality; we will never reach agreement. What we can agree on is that the video is disturbing and we would love to spend just 5 minutes alone in a room with that douche-bag.
But let's not paint a whole race with one wide brush. There are a-holes everywhere and just about all cultures have done much worse to much younger.
Empathy for a suffering creature has nothing to do with religion. If anything, the lack of religion frees you from caring ONLY for those of your kind but for EVERYONE, regardless of faith.
And before you tell me that personal religion and organized religion are two different things, I ask you - how come more followers don't speak out against their own organizations when they commit atrocities?
But anyway, we digress into the argument that religion = morality; we will never reach agreement. What we can agree on is that the video is disturbing and we would love to spend just 5 minutes alone in a room with that douche-bag.
But let's not paint a whole race with one wide brush. There are a-holes everywhere and just about all cultures have done much worse to much younger.
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Gigaboomer:
The insinuation that humans cannot be moral (or "real morality" as you put it) without religion, is offensive and naive.
You mention Hitler, Mao and Stalin - the regimes of these demagogues were religions in themselves.
None of their atrocities were committed in the name of atheism. Unlike the crusades, suicide bombing, genital mutilation, etc. (the list is long) which were, and still are committed in the name of religion.
Also, Hitler was a catholic and 99% of his soldiers were christian.
Giga - if you were born in Saudi Arabia, the fairy tale you believe in would be a completely different one than your current.
"Since it is obviously inconceivable that all religions can be right, the most reasonable conclusion is that they are all wrong" - CH
PS. Atrocious behavior by adults against a child. This is not a race issue, it happens all over the world.
The insinuation that humans cannot be moral (or "real morality" as you put it) without religion, is offensive and naive.
You mention Hitler, Mao and Stalin - the regimes of these demagogues were religions in themselves.
None of their atrocities were committed in the name of atheism. Unlike the crusades, suicide bombing, genital mutilation, etc. (the list is long) which were, and still are committed in the name of religion.
Also, Hitler was a catholic and 99% of his soldiers were christian.
Giga - if you were born in Saudi Arabia, the fairy tale you believe in would be a completely different one than your current.
"Since it is obviously inconceivable that all religions can be right, the most reasonable conclusion is that they are all wrong" - CH
PS. Atrocious behavior by adults against a child. This is not a race issue, it happens all over the world.
Sqwak7700,
Yes, I'd agree with what you say.
Re the 'racist' 'anti Han' comments, I guess I missed that, having left in 2002.
Generally found Chinese OK but they won't stand any crap once they get to a position of authority - will anyone?
Scene: London - Bas + Mrs Bas at Buck Hse. - Just watching Chg guard - Chinese bird tries to push Bas out of way (no respect) - Bas stands ground - CB "You not gentleman!" Bas "Ladies make gentlemen!"
Re the vid from the OP: You all know the attitude of Chinese people to animals so a bit of rough justice to a child doesn't surprise me. Even to someone like me who has no objection to humane killing for eating, their treatment of animals is appalling so forgive me if I am not surprised by the vid. If you want a ref just read John Warham's book:
Oh, p.s. Don't abandon nukes - only way we'll keep them out - trust me.
Yes, I'd agree with what you say.
Re the 'racist' 'anti Han' comments, I guess I missed that, having left in 2002.
Generally found Chinese OK but they won't stand any crap once they get to a position of authority - will anyone?
Scene: London - Bas + Mrs Bas at Buck Hse. - Just watching Chg guard - Chinese bird tries to push Bas out of way (no respect) - Bas stands ground - CB "You not gentleman!" Bas "Ladies make gentlemen!"
Re the vid from the OP: You all know the attitude of Chinese people to animals so a bit of rough justice to a child doesn't surprise me. Even to someone like me who has no objection to humane killing for eating, their treatment of animals is appalling so forgive me if I am not surprised by the vid. If you want a ref just read John Warham's book:
The ‘show’ consisted of a small arena in the centre of which a domestic cow was tethered. Two tigers were let into the arena and they attacked the cow. The tigers were fat and well fed and did not bring down the animal with a quick kill by suffocating it as they would normally do in the wild. Instead they just took bites out of it, gnawed at its legs and ripped at its hide with their claws. This went on for some time before the tigers were removed from the arena. The cow was still alive and bellowing pathetically but, even then, the ‘keepers’ did not dispatch the poor, wretched animal. Instead they tied ropes to its legs and dragged it out of the arena behind a lorry. It was one of the most sickening and disgusting spectacles of animal cruelty that I have ever witnessed and, throughout the whole thing, the audience of men, women and children was sitting there eating ice creams, laughing and pointing at what was happening in front of them. It made me ashamed to be a part of the human race
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