Other staffs' perception of Pilot Group
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Other staffs' perception of Pilot Group
Has the FAU endorsed SLS? I think they have asked the question why some pilots have to do it and why some can opt out. They clearly won't regard that as fair.
Have all the other office staff/ground staff/engineers etc. etc. endorsed and signed up for it? I don't think we will know this for a while yet. At least not until the weekly crap put out by NR.
But what happens to their perception of us as a group when they have to do it or feel "compelled" to do it by the company through its bullying tactics...and those who earn more don't do it? Maybe they will respect the stand we take...unlikely.
NOT saying we should sign up for SLS on that basis...merely posing the question as this is the forum for it. I believe we should not sign up for SLS. But I think there will be fall out from not doing it, and not from just the company.
I think we could expect even worse service on the flight deck...and possible free of charge extras' to our food
Thoughts ???
Have all the other office staff/ground staff/engineers etc. etc. endorsed and signed up for it? I don't think we will know this for a while yet. At least not until the weekly crap put out by NR.
But what happens to their perception of us as a group when they have to do it or feel "compelled" to do it by the company through its bullying tactics...and those who earn more don't do it? Maybe they will respect the stand we take...unlikely.
NOT saying we should sign up for SLS on that basis...merely posing the question as this is the forum for it. I believe we should not sign up for SLS. But I think there will be fall out from not doing it, and not from just the company.
I think we could expect even worse service on the flight deck...and possible free of charge extras' to our food
Thoughts ???
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I am being asked to take a 17% paycut for 6 months - Can you imagine if CX tried to impose this on all of its staff? The airline would grind to a halt overnight!
So The FAU are being to asked something much different to us
So The FAU are being to asked something much different to us
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Air Profit - "other LESS IMPORTANT staff"
You must have only 3 brain cells...s**t only happens when they collide...and given the cavernous empty space in your head, they clearly don't collide that often 
Point is whatever other staff are being asked to do, SLS or not, they are still going to be doing something
They will probably be bullied into doing it, this we know.
How will we be perceived if we as a group tell the company to shove it, by our "other LESS IMPORTANT staff" ? - to quote Air Profit.
ALL EMPLOYEES should tell the company to shove SLS or whatever "share the pain" scheme the company has cooked up for them. The compnay needs to financially demonstrate a clear need for it. THEY HAVE NOT DONE SO.
Point is whatever other staff are being asked to do, SLS or not, they are still going to be doing something
They will probably be bullied into doing it, this we know.
How will we be perceived if we as a group tell the company to shove it, by our "other LESS IMPORTANT staff" ? - to quote Air Profit.
ALL EMPLOYEES should tell the company to shove SLS or whatever "share the pain" scheme the company has cooked up for them. The compnay needs to financially demonstrate a clear need for it. THEY HAVE NOT DONE SO.
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As a once very respected ex fleet manager once said at a company propaganda meeting, 'its like Wimbledon....the players always make more money than the ball boys'... If you can't figure that out, you really don't value yourselves very well. In any organisation, there are people, who, due to their training, investment in years, level of 'replaceability', and many other metrics of 'value', are MORE IMPORTANT than other employees. It was not meant as a derogatory term, only a defined description of fact in the market place. I used the terminology deliberately, of course expecting the usual emotional rants that were posted in reply. Figure out what your worth, then be proud of it...and more importantly, negotiate based on it. I'm worth more to CX than the cleaners...and that is the way the world works. If you don't like the hard facts....well, go cry to your mommies.! 
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Your humility is underwhelming.
Life has a wonderful way of bringing us all down to the "ball boy" level at some stage. Lets hope not a minute is wasted in delivering that moment to you.
We will all look on and applaud.
Your humility is underwhelming.
Life has a wonderful way of bringing us all down to the "ball boy" level at some stage. Lets hope not a minute is wasted in delivering that moment to you.
We will all look on and applaud.
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Air profit has a point but could have put it more eloquently. Since when has one group cared about another here at Cathay, just observe how any staff is treated at the staff travel counters. And N1 Vibes get off your high horse, you're an engineer and a number one pilot hater, so don't pretend you actually care about any pilot or any other group.
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LESS IMPORTANT staff
1 Corinthians
Chapter 12
For the body is not one part, but a number of parts. If the foot says, Because I am not the hand, I am not a part of the body; it is no less a part of the body. And if the ear says, Because I am not the eye, I am not a part of the body; it is a part of the body all the same. If all the body was an eye, where would be the hearing? if all was hearing, where would be the smelling?
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And the eye may not say to the hand, I have no need of you: or again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. No, those parts which seem to be feeble are the more necessary; And to those parts of the body which seem to have less honour we give all the more honour; and to those parts of the body which are a cause of shame to us we give the greater respect; But those parts of the body which are beautiful have no need of such care: and so the body has been joined together by God in such a way as to give more honour to those parts which had need of it; So that there might be no division in the body; but all the parts might have the same care for one another. And if there is pain in one part of the body, all the parts will be feeling it; or if one part is honoured, all the parts will be glad.
Hopefully the senior management understand too.
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You can get away with dirty aeroplanes for a while... however, I'd love to see how you even try to figure out how to close up the cargo doors, hook up the towbar and tug, fuel the aircraft, and the most funniest thing I've ever seen in my life is a very arrogant senior pilot having a go at pushing the aircraft off the gate and attempting to unhook the towbar from the aircraft! 
And let's don't pretend you have the slightest clue about the airworthiness of the aircraft you're about to take out flying without the engineer telling you it is! And that's just to go flying empty! You cannot function without the rest of them YOU consider less important than you. I can only hope you keep your f'ing arrogance under wraps around the other employee groups. Not that I care about the disrespect and disregard you get from them, in fact I myself would give it to you, you are deserving of it. I only hope at least I don't get stereotyped and treated as you should when I have nothing but respect and regard for the other employee groups I work with after they read your crap.
And let's don't pretend you have the slightest clue about the airworthiness of the aircraft you're about to take out flying without the engineer telling you it is! And that's just to go flying empty! You cannot function without the rest of them YOU consider less important than you. I can only hope you keep your f'ing arrogance under wraps around the other employee groups. Not that I care about the disrespect and disregard you get from them, in fact I myself would give it to you, you are deserving of it. I only hope at least I don't get stereotyped and treated as you should when I have nothing but respect and regard for the other employee groups I work with after they read your crap.
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The FAU has just pulled support for the SLS pending appropriate disclosure and consultation with the company. Many are unhappy about the apparent unfairness of the SLS particularly in relation to: part time workers; workers that are payed by the hour; as well as the pilot's conditional deal. Suggestions are being made that all unions should at least meet to discuss SLS and implications for members.
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N1 Vibes.
You have been placed in my ignore list with the others that i don't wish to waste any more time on.
Now go back to that desk in hello kitty city you call work and DO SOME.
You have been placed in my ignore list with the others that i don't wish to waste any more time on.
Now go back to that desk in hello kitty city you call work and DO SOME.
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How are we spoilt.When bonuses come we get less on a % of monthly income and when it comes to SLS we get asked to pay more on a % basis.When you think about it we always carry the can!!!!!!!
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Hey, we can't do without the spanner turners but the rest of the crap you mentioned
can be learned by my mum in about 5 minutes, takes a bit longer than that ( 10 mins ) to safely operate an A/C.
But yes, it could have been put a little more subtly.
Spot on
even try to figure out how to close up the cargo doors, hook up the towbar and tug, fuel the aircraft, and the most funniest thing I've ever seen in my life is a very arrogant senior pilot having a go at pushing the aircraft off the gate and attempting to unhook the towbar from the aircraft!
But yes, it could have been put a little more subtly.
Since when has one group cared about another here at Cathay, just observe how any staff is treated at the staff travel counters
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Air Profit & Frogman 1484
"Who cares what the other staff think of us"
Definite management material...both of you.
That's the exact attitude management have had regarding their bonuses over the years...
Don't complain when you have unexpected case of the runs after eating or drinking your meals and drinks on board
Definite management material...both of you.
That's the exact attitude management have had regarding their bonuses over the years...
Don't complain when you have unexpected case of the runs after eating or drinking your meals and drinks on board