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Yes...I could have put it more eloquently. I deliberately worded my post as I did to drive home a very simple point: we are the most highly trained, at the most cost. We are the most difficult to replace. We have the the longest careers and associated risk involved in such. Most of us are the main breadwinners (unlike most of the cabin crew who are here for a few years, and/or have a husband, generally speaking of course). Whether or not a local chinese ramp worker is 'happy' with me is something I couldn't care less about. I do my job, I put many hours into my training, and I safely assure the companies reputation. When it comes to matters of career and renumeration, my and my family's interests come first. So...as I originally said, I don't really 'care' what others think. If the other staff groups are 'happy' being bought off by suggesting that a sacrifice of hdk $1500 in total is sufficient, then good for them. Don't expect me to make a REAL sacrifice just to make those groups 'happy' with me...! I will make my decisions based on my own best interest. How about you...?
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Well, very honestly everyone will be making his decision based on his own circumstance. I guess this forum is the perfect place for Air Profit to make such comments because he will never have the balls to say it in front of other "less important" colleagues.
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Dragon 69,
my response of being "a w@nker" for the comments of "less important people" was direct to Air Profit - it was not a generic response to the 'pilot community', you seem to have formed a complex that all pilots are tarred with the same brush - as you yourself have tarred all engineers....
GE90,
won't miss you either.
Love and Kisses,
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my response of being "a w@nker" for the comments of "less important people" was direct to Air Profit - it was not a generic response to the 'pilot community', you seem to have formed a complex that all pilots are tarred with the same brush - as you yourself have tarred all engineers....
GE90,
won't miss you either.
Love and Kisses,
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Fos and Sos are being asked to give away BPP with the new contract, which is worth about a FULL year of captain's salary, or about 1 million HKD. I think that's more than enough and expecting them participate in SLS is non sense.
In any case, with RA65, commands are now at about 15-20 years from DOJ. Just do the math. Many FOs (average age of 35) will now see their command only when approaching their FIFTIES or into their fifties! That alone represent lots of $$$.
With all due respect, FOs and SOs are the ones giving the most. The fact that SLS is optional isn't the whole story. Get informed.
In any case, with RA65, commands are now at about 15-20 years from DOJ. Just do the math. Many FOs (average age of 35) will now see their command only when approaching their FIFTIES or into their fifties! That alone represent lots of $$$.
With all due respect, FOs and SOs are the ones giving the most. The fact that SLS is optional isn't the whole story. Get informed.
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Kitsune,
If you made your comment to the poster above, then you are a f@cking pr!ck. If it was meant for someone else, then please explain. I'm pretty sure you are either a retread or nearing it, so you get your cake and eat it too, while the rest are staring at the bottom of a sh!t-stained toilet. Cheers buddy!!
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If you made your comment to the poster above, then you are a f@cking pr!ck. If it was meant for someone else, then please explain. I'm pretty sure you are either a retread or nearing it, so you get your cake and eat it too, while the rest are staring at the bottom of a sh!t-stained toilet. Cheers buddy!!
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Kitsune - spot on.
For those people who see their 'career' as a one way street, welcome to the real world. Just about the only person who get's a one way career these days (with almost no choice) is the Queen - she's in it from birth till she pop's her clogs. For the rest of you if the grass is not green where you are then you have the freedom to consider moving on. If you choose to stay on the brown grass then you may just become bitter. Just because your mates stayed at the same airline for 600 years and retired with a castle on a small island in Tahiti - doesn't mean that you have to meekly attempt to follow the same path - in a keeping up with the joneses manner. If you think that perhaps your family will be gutted or suffer with less, equally this is part of life.
And finally - working for the same company all the time - get's pretty f#kin boring......
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For those people who see their 'career' as a one way street, welcome to the real world. Just about the only person who get's a one way career these days (with almost no choice) is the Queen - she's in it from birth till she pop's her clogs. For the rest of you if the grass is not green where you are then you have the freedom to consider moving on. If you choose to stay on the brown grass then you may just become bitter. Just because your mates stayed at the same airline for 600 years and retired with a castle on a small island in Tahiti - doesn't mean that you have to meekly attempt to follow the same path - in a keeping up with the joneses manner. If you think that perhaps your family will be gutted or suffer with less, equally this is part of life.
And finally - working for the same company all the time - get's pretty f#kin boring......
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N1 vibes, but where as you can leave Cathay and take your experience with you and join another airline at relatively the same position and pay, we have a little thing called seniority, so unfortunately, easier said than done.
Kitsune, coming from a pilot that was a very dumb statement.
Kitsune, coming from a pilot that was a very dumb statement.
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Irony obviously not a strong suit then.....
If you don't like it... leave
. Sorry but the message came across as moronic rather than ironic.
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Dragon 68,
ironies are quite my favourite subject. The fact that as a pilot the further up the pole one climbs, the more seniority one gets and the more money. The less likely one is to move to another company/country because one will lose seniority and therefore money.
So as pointed out previously you won't move - because it's all about the money.....sorry seniority(!)
As for us non-pole-climbers - we are free to keep our CV's updated and our passports ready. How ironic.
Bon Voyage!
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ironies are quite my favourite subject. The fact that as a pilot the further up the pole one climbs, the more seniority one gets and the more money. The less likely one is to move to another company/country because one will lose seniority and therefore money.
So as pointed out previously you won't move - because it's all about the money.....sorry seniority(!)
As for us non-pole-climbers - we are free to keep our CV's updated and our passports ready. How ironic.
Bon Voyage!
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N1 Vibes,
Hypocrisy must be your favorite topic as well then. The mere fact that you've come to Hong Kong to live and work as an expat tells me that you did so purely for financial benefits (if not that..then FLTH comes to mind)...so please don't sit there and tell me that it's not all about money to you.
But again, you can leave Cathay for Emirates and maintain a similar lifestyle since your salary will more or less stay equivalent (you did say it was all about lifestyle in a different thread didn't you). Not so for us!!!! What part of that is so hard to understand??????? I can translate it in French if you wish
Hypocrisy must be your favorite topic as well then. The mere fact that you've come to Hong Kong to live and work as an expat tells me that you did so purely for financial benefits (if not that..then FLTH comes to mind)...so please don't sit there and tell me that it's not all about money to you.
But again, you can leave Cathay for Emirates and maintain a similar lifestyle since your salary will more or less stay equivalent (you did say it was all about lifestyle in a different thread didn't you). Not so for us!!!! What part of that is so hard to understand??????? I can translate it in French if you wish
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Dragon 67,
ooh it's so eeeeeeeeaaasy to draw the 'big fish' out of their holes....
How clever that you have been able to check out my previous thread comments - but you still don't know me I'm afraid. You really are second guessing that I am a 'typical expat'. How pathetic and sad.
When I came here the money was actually the same as where I came from and then it became less - so no I didn't come because of the money - I came because of the job (lovely that I can do that isn't it?).
FLTH - what's that?
Lifestyle - you equate this to salary - of course you would. If you re-read my previous comments it's about getting a 'life' - style was never a part of it.
The fact that some people, perhaps this includes you personally, only feel good with a certain number of zero's in their wage packet is quite fascinating to me - but not attractive.
Of course translating into French would be very impressive - but the point of using 'Bon Voyage' in my previous post is that I am hoping that you, or others further up the pole, get the idea that if the grass isn't greener here - then get on that plane/boat and sail off into another sunset, f$ck the seniority and get a life (note the word style is again missing here).
Maybe consider this quote:
"Is a life spent looking for the best deal a life well spent?"
Or are there more important things out there than money...
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ooh it's so eeeeeeeeaaasy to draw the 'big fish' out of their holes....
How clever that you have been able to check out my previous thread comments - but you still don't know me I'm afraid. You really are second guessing that I am a 'typical expat'. How pathetic and sad.
When I came here the money was actually the same as where I came from and then it became less - so no I didn't come because of the money - I came because of the job (lovely that I can do that isn't it?).
FLTH - what's that?
Lifestyle - you equate this to salary - of course you would. If you re-read my previous comments it's about getting a 'life' - style was never a part of it.
The fact that some people, perhaps this includes you personally, only feel good with a certain number of zero's in their wage packet is quite fascinating to me - but not attractive.
Of course translating into French would be very impressive - but the point of using 'Bon Voyage' in my previous post is that I am hoping that you, or others further up the pole, get the idea that if the grass isn't greener here - then get on that plane/boat and sail off into another sunset, f$ck the seniority and get a life (note the word style is again missing here).
Maybe consider this quote:
"Is a life spent looking for the best deal a life well spent?"
Or are there more important things out there than money...
Regards,
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No actually N1 Vibes what is really sad is the fact that you are a bigger hypocrite than I originally thought and a bull sh
er to boot.
Yes it is really eeeaaaasy to spot your kind, the brit who comes to hong kong, is somewhat socially inept, learns a few words of Cantonese, lives in a local area, dates a local girl that even the the locals wouldn't even touch, and then considers himself so much better than the rest of the expats.
FLTH- Failed London Try Hong Kong...
Yes you've kept the same salary by coming here, but would you have come if the salary offered was 1/2 or 1/3 of what you were previously making?? If your answer is NO, then you've just completely contradicted yourself! If your answer is YES, then as a loyal employee and one that has a LIFE, I challenge you to give half of your salary back to Cathay. But no way thats going to happen, you prefer standing on that pedestal and preaching Bull Sht looking like a big man!
So let me get this straight, you expect an employee group that have worked for a company for 10 - 20 years to just pack up and leave as opposed to staying and fighting to preserve current conditions?????
er to boot.
but you still don't know me I'm afraid. You really are second guessing that I am a 'typical expat'
FLTH- Failed London Try Hong Kong...
When I came here the money was actually the same as where I came from and then it became less - so no I didn't come because of the money - I came because of the job
t looking like a big man!
I am hoping that you, or others further up the pole, get the idea that if the grass isn't greener here - then get on that plane/boat and sail off into another sunset, f$ck the seniority and get a life (note the word style is again missing here).
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Dragon 66,
When I leave HKG I will very likely be leaving for a lot less pay - life and job satisfaction means a lot to some people. To others it's just about the money.
Since said 'employee group' (or individual - it's only those people who see themselves as 'the union' that have a difficulty with this concept of individualism - i.e. being able to occasionally make their own decision outside of 'the union' norm - the majority is not always right) have been 'fighting' (I saw no industrial action etc) for the last few years (that would be a significant chunk of a 10 year career at CX) and said 'employee group' haven't got the agreement to swing their way yet. I'd say that you ether sit and 'fight' (sorry stand and fight) or if you are tired of waiting and money isn't the most important thing in your life then you could move off for less money and perhaps a better working environment (better life) - grass is greener.
As for your personal abuse, I'm quite happy to take your onslaught directed at me - but I would prefer that you leave my wife out of it. You big bully.
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Yes you've kept the same salary by coming here, but would you have come if the salary offered was 1/2 or 1/3 of what you were previously making??
So let me get this straight, you expect an employee group that have worked for a company for 10 - 20 years to just pack up and leave as opposed to staying and fighting to preserve current conditions?????
dates a local girl that even the the locals wouldn't even touch
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When I leave HKG I will very likely be leaving for a lot less pay - life and job satisfaction means a lot to some people. To others it's just about the money.
t a bull sher, you're here as an expat for the exact same reason as all of us...you're here for the MONEY! Otherwise by now you would have been retired in a small beach hut in Palawan enjoying the easy life, and not having two cents to rub together. But something tells me you're going to be around for quite some time.
if you are tired of waiting and money isn't the most important thing in your life then you could move off for less money and perhaps a better working environment (better life)
.Unfortunately, and sad as it may be, what you don't get is the fact that "better life" requires money. From the slum dogs in Mumbai to a shop owner in East London, we all have the same goal, earn more money to earn a better living. Anyone that says otherwise if full of it!
So hence we have come full circle again, you can leave for another airline whilst roughly keeping your salary, so it is much easier for you to sit there and preach "if you don't like it then leave", if we had that luxury many of us would not be here today.
However, I do agree with you that we've never stood up to take action, but that goes back to what sqwak7700 previously said about a certain groups or group at Cathay.
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Dragon69 you are a disgrace to your profession.
It should be a concern to the travelling public to hear the insane rantings of a 'professional pilot' such as yourself.
It should be a concern to the travelling public to hear the insane rantings of a 'professional pilot' such as yourself.
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Dragon 65,
Oh dear the wheels really are coming off aren't they.
Are you unable to see the difference between the following words:
- "lifestyle"
- "life"
There's really no hope in you understanding anything that I am writing...
–the habits, attitudes, tastes, moral standards, economic level, etc., that together constitute the mode of living of an individual or group.
- the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally.
Which one is most important to you life or lifestyle?
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Wait I am confused now, when you said "better life" did you actually mean life or lifestyle???
Are you unable to see the difference between the following words:
- "lifestyle"
- "life"
There's really no hope in you understanding anything that I am writing...
–the habits, attitudes, tastes, moral standards, economic level, etc., that together constitute the mode of living of an individual or group.
- the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally.
Which one is most important to you life or lifestyle?
Regards,
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Oh that's so cute N1vibes counting down from 69 with each post!
This whole discussion began by your comment of, "if you don't like it, leave". I tried to explain to you that it is easier said than done, especially when you're in seniority based system. You then reply that for most pilots it is about money, because if we didn't care about money we wouldn't care about seniority, and we would simply leave.
Well with logic like that how can I possibly argue?? And you think my wheels are coming off??? Mate your wheels fell off a looooong time ago!
So let me ask you N1, if you get a blatantly unfair bill from your mobile provider of HK $20,000, do you a. grudgingly pay the bill? b. dispute the bill? or c. pack up and leave HKG the very next day?
Which will it be N1, can't wait for the answer!
This whole discussion began by your comment of, "if you don't like it, leave". I tried to explain to you that it is easier said than done, especially when you're in seniority based system. You then reply that for most pilots it is about money, because if we didn't care about money we wouldn't care about seniority, and we would simply leave.
Well with logic like that how can I possibly argue??
And you think my wheels are coming off??? Mate your wheels fell off a looooong time ago!So let me ask you N1, if you get a blatantly unfair bill from your mobile provider of HK $20,000, do you a. grudgingly pay the bill? b. dispute the bill? or c. pack up and leave HKG the very next day?
Which will it be N1, can't wait for the answer!
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With the chip on your shoulder, your wonderful personality (no doubt translates into *wonderful CRM style*), you have got to be a 'Cat C' no hoper, with a trail of destruction in the relationship department and more ex wives than wedding anniversaries.
With the chip on your shoulder, your wonderful personality (no doubt translates into *wonderful CRM style*), you have got to be a 'Cat C' no hoper, with a trail of destruction in the relationship department and more ex wives than wedding anniversaries.
