DFO's Letter to Crew
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Jack so far the AOA HAVE NOT SIGNED OFF ON ANYTHING! Wait and see what they put forward over the weekend - you are falling right into NPR's trap!!!! Calm Calm Calm
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Quote "If I'd known I would have taken a 400 Freighter base in SYD 2 years ago"
Now, if only your foresight was as sharp as your hindsight...so you didn't take that option then, didn't prioritise your life properly, and for anyone who did, you want to nail them.sweet...
Now, if only your foresight was as sharp as your hindsight...so you didn't take that option then, didn't prioritise your life properly, and for anyone who did, you want to nail them.sweet...
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What a week!
It does worry me that Dick Rod, in his letter, enthusiastically announces that the Aoa has reached an agreement on the matter of SLS and COS08. I won't throw JetA on the fire and will religiously wait for the Aoa mail, but I sincerely hope they're not just going to tell us which is the best gun for us to shoot ourselves with...
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What worries me more is GMA "package" on monday, now that we have all had a weekend to fume "seconds out, round number 2....." Tossers Tossers Tossers!
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well if ones priorities then had been "base" he would have been happier now eh? Not wanting to upset anyone but when decision are made for whatever reasons then they better be for the ones that matter most.
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Snapper_Head, I too share your concern about the retirement age issue and triggering of BPP if you stay on COS '99, however, Para 36 of COS '99 states that normal retirement age is 55.
It stands to reason then that any pilot staying on past 55, regardless of which COS they are on, will trigger BPP if you remain on COS '99.
Having said that though, we all know that the Company's interpretation of these matters varies depending upon the day of the week.
It stands to reason then that any pilot staying on past 55, regardless of which COS they are on, will trigger BPP if you remain on COS '99.
Having said that though, we all know that the Company's interpretation of these matters varies depending upon the day of the week.
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Who created this mess? Huh
I beg to differ! The company didn't create this mess. No, it was the people who kept coming and accepting reduced conditions of service. Why offer a pay rise when people keep willing to work for less.
Of course there are those who rant and rave and talk a tough line. Unfortunately, they are always the first to capitulate and turn and run. I have seen it everytime CX offers a new contract.
Sadly, it is every man for themselves.
Of course there are those who rant and rave and talk a tough line. Unfortunately, they are always the first to capitulate and turn and run. I have seen it everytime CX offers a new contract.
Sadly, it is every man for themselves.
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Stated in DFO's letter: "
There are a number of other significant components to the agreement, most notably the unification of Command Pay for Passenger and Freighter aircraft on the current B Scale, the addition of two more increment points on the Cos 08 F/O scale, the introduction of ‘longevity’ points for F/Os and an improvement in the Scope Clause to include Freighter aircraft. Full details of the agreement will be communicated to you all in due course."
Where is this NOW? I have read CoS08 and see nothing of this mentioned; no additional FO increments, etc. Nothing so far in the GMA's letter addresses these issues.
Without a FACA, why are there still freighter CN payscales?
If I don't sign CoS08, will the guy 1000 numbers junior to me, who signs CoS08, be able to take the next available "freighter" command at PAX CN pay? Nothing on this issue is clear.
Who and when will clear it up?
There are a number of other significant components to the agreement, most notably the unification of Command Pay for Passenger and Freighter aircraft on the current B Scale, the addition of two more increment points on the Cos 08 F/O scale, the introduction of ‘longevity’ points for F/Os and an improvement in the Scope Clause to include Freighter aircraft. Full details of the agreement will be communicated to you all in due course."
Where is this NOW? I have read CoS08 and see nothing of this mentioned; no additional FO increments, etc. Nothing so far in the GMA's letter addresses these issues.
Without a FACA, why are there still freighter CN payscales?
If I don't sign CoS08, will the guy 1000 numbers junior to me, who signs CoS08, be able to take the next available "freighter" command at PAX CN pay? Nothing on this issue is clear.
Who and when will clear it up?
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Like most things the "management" of the company do this has not been well thought out and had been very poorly presented. There are gaping holes and many unanswered questions as mentioned above. Hold your fire on deciding which option is for you. Innundate them with email and telephone questions this week and next and lets see how they react. They will be getting very nervous if they have few committments by the midddle of next week - let 'em sweat!
But it is extremely sad to see my colleagues turning on each other with venom and hostility over all of these issues. We all joined on the conditions that were on offer at the time and have been engineered into the current chaotic situation by poor management. Think long and hard about your options and don't just drool over this hugely over-rated issue of bypass pay.
Life is what you make it so be cool and try, even though it seems to be very hard for the regulars on this forum, to be nice to your colleagues and friends.
And at the end of the day you guys will do what you always do, despite the big words of bravery. The cold economic decisions are simple. The vast majority of you will meekly sign. You always do.
Now that should set the pack alight!!!
But it is extremely sad to see my colleagues turning on each other with venom and hostility over all of these issues. We all joined on the conditions that were on offer at the time and have been engineered into the current chaotic situation by poor management. Think long and hard about your options and don't just drool over this hugely over-rated issue of bypass pay.
Life is what you make it so be cool and try, even though it seems to be very hard for the regulars on this forum, to be nice to your colleagues and friends.
And at the end of the day you guys will do what you always do, despite the big words of bravery. The cold economic decisions are simple. The vast majority of you will meekly sign. You always do.
Now that should set the pack alight!!!
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Bypass pay is FAR from "hugely overrated!" If I stay on CoS99, I can stay on my base and get bypass pay for the rest of my career, 'cause that's about how long it would be before I could ever think of getting a command on my base.
No? It's happening right now, guaranteed, straight from the mouth of the horse who's receiving it!
No? It's happening right now, guaranteed, straight from the mouth of the horse who's receiving it!
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It is interesting that the company has put itself in a situation where the crew and the company don't have a common interest
One question that has to be answered is that if the company is desperately seeking immediate cash preservation, what are they so intent on everybody signing COS08, since that would bring them no immediate cost reduction...?
Don't sign anything. Wait. Ask questions, ask for more time, wait for the Aoa message.