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The Chief Executive announced today that this has been a particularly difficult year for the Company. As a result, the Company is not in a position to pay one month’s salary as a discretionary year-end bonus to eligible employees. However, in consideration of the hard work and dedication of our employees, the Company will pay every eligible Hong Kong-based employee an ex-gratia payment of an amount equal to half a month’s salary or HK$8,000, whichever is the greater.
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NC, could you show a calculation for a ground staff with a salary of $6000 per month.
the Company will pay every eligible Hong Kong-based employee an ex-gratia payment of an amount equal to half a month’s salary or HK$8,000, whichever is the greater.
the Company will pay every eligible Hong Kong-based employee an ex-gratia payment of an amount equal to half a month’s salary or HK$8,000, whichever is the greater.
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Next phase of the onslaught: video monitors in the street playing on repeat 24 hrs - "this is our darkest hour" - turnbull.
Cabin crew in the bus the otherday are so intimidated they were talking of CX closing down due to no money for salary bill - right up TT's agenda that one is - Rule by fear, not respect.
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Cabin crew in the bus the otherday are so intimidated they were talking of CX closing down due to no money for salary bill - right up TT's agenda that one is - Rule by fear, not respect.
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Svengali,
jealousy will get you nowhere. Those on $6,000/mth, will get $8,000 bonus, Good luck to em.
400 Jockey,
suggest you invest at leat part of your 'bonus' in some vaseline...oh and remember you'll have to pay the first $50 when you visit the proctologist to get the protest banner splinters out of you colon!
Life's a bitch eh?
Wishing You the best of Health at all times,
N1 Vibes
jealousy will get you nowhere. Those on $6,000/mth, will get $8,000 bonus, Good luck to em.
400 Jockey,
suggest you invest at leat part of your 'bonus' in some vaseline...oh and remember you'll have to pay the first $50 when you visit the proctologist to get the protest banner splinters out of you colon!
Life's a bitch eh?
Wishing You the best of Health at all times,
N1 Vibes
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Is it true Dragonair are getting theirs?
Don't play into any management trap of one versus the other. Though I fear that is well beyond the professional maturity of CX pilots.
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Ex-Gratia...
Okay,
So we're receiving some form of recognition for our hard work..blah,blah,blah..but as an "ex-gratia"...
To those who are wondering, what does ex-gratia actually mean ???
Wikipedia states the following :
"Ex gratia (sometimes ex-gratia) is Latin (lit. 'by favour') and is most often used in a legal context. When something has been done ex gratia, it has been done voluntarily, out of kindness or grace. In law, an ex gratia payment is a payment made without the giver recognising any liability or legal obligation"
Having read the above several times, it just so seems there are some key words in the paragraph which don't seem to fit the 'BIG PICTURE', the one we're constantly urged to 'seek'.
First and foremost, 1/2mth's salary or HKD 8,000 (whichever is higher) out of kindness or grace ??? Please !
Secondly, giver not recognising any liability or legal obligation ? Hmmm...sounds a bit too legal to me.. Will we be receiving a letter of contract, requiring a signature before receiving this 'ex-gratia' ?
Let me get this straight, we're NOT getting 13mth but the company is making itself seem like it's doing us a 'favour'.... out of the kindness of their hearts ? Don't know about you.. but right now, I'm melting with that warm fuzzy feeling deep within.
Ex-gratia : Might use that word next time, once reporting sick for duty a mere 20 minutes before sign on
So we're receiving some form of recognition for our hard work..blah,blah,blah..but as an "ex-gratia"...
To those who are wondering, what does ex-gratia actually mean ???
Wikipedia states the following :
"Ex gratia (sometimes ex-gratia) is Latin (lit. 'by favour') and is most often used in a legal context. When something has been done ex gratia, it has been done voluntarily, out of kindness or grace. In law, an ex gratia payment is a payment made without the giver recognising any liability or legal obligation"
Having read the above several times, it just so seems there are some key words in the paragraph which don't seem to fit the 'BIG PICTURE', the one we're constantly urged to 'seek'.
First and foremost, 1/2mth's salary or HKD 8,000 (whichever is higher) out of kindness or grace ??? Please !
Secondly, giver not recognising any liability or legal obligation ? Hmmm...sounds a bit too legal to me.. Will we be receiving a letter of contract, requiring a signature before receiving this 'ex-gratia' ?
Let me get this straight, we're NOT getting 13mth but the company is making itself seem like it's doing us a 'favour'.... out of the kindness of their hearts ? Don't know about you.. but right now, I'm melting with that warm fuzzy feeling deep within.
Ex-gratia : Might use that word next time, once reporting sick for duty a mere 20 minutes before sign on
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However, it said it will increase staff salaries by an average of 2 per cent to boost morale.
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While I am suprised that we have been given anything, what makes this such a slap-in-the-face is the nearly HK$3.3 billion dollars that has been lost this year due to poor fuel hedging and cargo fines, with the staff suffering for management incompetence and oversight failures. Interestingly, the hedging loss/fines amount to approximately 10 times the CX monthly wage bill, excluding KA etc.
With more cargo fines to come in the future it is disappointing that CX has done nothing to prove to its staff that it is serious in corporate governance and compliance issues. At least other airlines made a token effort by sending a few 'sacrificial lambs' to jail as a result of their injustices in the cargo arena.
Sadly, if management thought this would appease staff I think they have misread the current state of morale.
With more cargo fines to come in the future it is disappointing that CX has done nothing to prove to its staff that it is serious in corporate governance and compliance issues. At least other airlines made a token effort by sending a few 'sacrificial lambs' to jail as a result of their injustices in the cargo arena.
Sadly, if management thought this would appease staff I think they have misread the current state of morale.
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so...
there you are. another year of mismanagement followed by the crew getting screwed. the question remains.. what are we going to do about it.?
what are the options?
what can you do?
what are the hkaoa committee doing to help?
the answers are simple:
the option is yours to take..
the hkaoa would have a vastly stronger position if we had all the flight crew as members of the hkaoa. it is no coincidence the cx managers have removed hkaoa application information from the mail boxes. their biggest fear and greatest opponent is a strong and united crew body.
what can you do?
if you are not already a member of the hkaoa, join. if they had the strength in numbers of the entire crew body we would have been able to have the leverage to obtain the 13th month and profit share. consider this: if the fees were 500/month ( average ) then that would equate to 6000/yr - even a brand new second officer would have profited by 14000 by being a member of the hkaoa after membership fees.. just think it through for the more senior officers..
what you need also to think about if you already are a member is to start recruiting the non-members into the hkaoa. there are plenty of reasons why. if you cant think of topics why - have a look at my thread on education on this forum . what all members need to be doing is talking to non members about the issues and giving the hkaoa their contact details ( email / mob ph ) to hkaoa @ hkaoa.org.
what are the hkaoa committee doing to help?
remember- any union is only as strong as its members. there also is a saying that any company gets the union it deserves.. after years of treatment like this and the outright robbery that has occured not only in this financial year due to the sheer ineptitude of the managers, but in years gone by, is it not time to take a more active part? the committee members of the hkaoa are volunteers. they cant be everywhere at all times and are busy containing the fires the company have started recently and of course in the past. they need all the help they can get from the members. start a recruiting drive. appoint yourself as the recruitment officer for the hkaoa. without a strong and comprehensive membership we are sure to have this situation again in the future whilst the DFO/ CEO etc etc etc all smile and take large bonuses - all paid for by stealing from the crew whilst momentus errors have lost millions. just think about that.
send the email/ mob ph of new interested crew to hkaoa @ hkaoa.org
there you are. another year of mismanagement followed by the crew getting screwed. the question remains.. what are we going to do about it.?
what are the options?
what can you do?
what are the hkaoa committee doing to help?
the answers are simple:
the option is yours to take..
the hkaoa would have a vastly stronger position if we had all the flight crew as members of the hkaoa. it is no coincidence the cx managers have removed hkaoa application information from the mail boxes. their biggest fear and greatest opponent is a strong and united crew body.
what can you do?
if you are not already a member of the hkaoa, join. if they had the strength in numbers of the entire crew body we would have been able to have the leverage to obtain the 13th month and profit share. consider this: if the fees were 500/month ( average ) then that would equate to 6000/yr - even a brand new second officer would have profited by 14000 by being a member of the hkaoa after membership fees.. just think it through for the more senior officers..
what you need also to think about if you already are a member is to start recruiting the non-members into the hkaoa. there are plenty of reasons why. if you cant think of topics why - have a look at my thread on education on this forum . what all members need to be doing is talking to non members about the issues and giving the hkaoa their contact details ( email / mob ph ) to hkaoa @ hkaoa.org.
what are the hkaoa committee doing to help?
remember- any union is only as strong as its members. there also is a saying that any company gets the union it deserves.. after years of treatment like this and the outright robbery that has occured not only in this financial year due to the sheer ineptitude of the managers, but in years gone by, is it not time to take a more active part? the committee members of the hkaoa are volunteers. they cant be everywhere at all times and are busy containing the fires the company have started recently and of course in the past. they need all the help they can get from the members. start a recruiting drive. appoint yourself as the recruitment officer for the hkaoa. without a strong and comprehensive membership we are sure to have this situation again in the future whilst the DFO/ CEO etc etc etc all smile and take large bonuses - all paid for by stealing from the crew whilst momentus errors have lost millions. just think about that.
send the email/ mob ph of new interested crew to hkaoa @ hkaoa.org
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Those are big IF's strike committee.
IF everybody joined the AOA,
IF they had enough leverage to negotiate,
Just look at past track record, less than acceptable I think...
IF everybody joined the AOA,
IF they had enough leverage to negotiate,
Just look at past track record, less than acceptable I think...
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So Hydrolix , tell me what you gain IF you stay a non member and IF you are a tosspot on the sideline bagging people who come up with perfectly good reasons why being a member of the AOA might help our contract? Does it actually have a negative effect on you if cx pilots are well represented? Honest questions......
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if they had the strength in numbers of the entire crew body we would have been able to have the leverage to obtain the 13th month and profit share.
How ? New COS ?
if they had the strength in numbers of the entire crew body we would have been able to have the leverage to obtain the 13th month and profit share.
How ? New COS ?
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oh, you again...
nonpilot. thankyou for bringing up yet another example proving your status as a 3rd floor creeper.
the whole point of the forums are to show and discuss the issues at hand. your use of this figure reminds me of a school teacher telling the students off in class... how very righteous of you. this is the old way of dealing with your valued staff. it is no longer acceptable.
the truth is however, when the membership levels rise again to past levels we will have the leverage and mandate to negotiate the 13th month and profitshare. if this were to involve a new COS then so be it.
to hydolix. yes there are if's. but an oak tree starts from an acorn. the point of my previous thread was to illustrate the tangible benefit for a non-member and a member alike should we once again achieve a united crew body. we have had it in the past and given the treatment recieved by the workers of this company, will achieve it again. it all starts by increasing the member numbers.
once again i say - become involved. if you are flight crew in cx you have been affected by this. i have shown you in my previous thread that it makes financial reason to join the hkaoa. you need to talk about the issues and recruit members.
send details ( email / mob ph ) of interested crew to hkaoa @ hkaoa.org
nonpilot. thankyou for bringing up yet another example proving your status as a 3rd floor creeper.
the whole point of the forums are to show and discuss the issues at hand. your use of this
figure reminds me of a school teacher telling the students off in class... how very righteous of you. this is the old way of dealing with your valued staff. it is no longer acceptable.the truth is however, when the membership levels rise again to past levels we will have the leverage and mandate to negotiate the 13th month and profitshare. if this were to involve a new COS then so be it.
to hydolix. yes there are if's. but an oak tree starts from an acorn. the point of my previous thread was to illustrate the tangible benefit for a non-member and a member alike should we once again achieve a united crew body. we have had it in the past and given the treatment recieved by the workers of this company, will achieve it again. it all starts by increasing the member numbers.
once again i say - become involved. if you are flight crew in cx you have been affected by this. i have shown you in my previous thread that it makes financial reason to join the hkaoa. you need to talk about the issues and recruit members.
send details ( email / mob ph ) of interested crew to hkaoa @ hkaoa.org
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It makes no difference whether we are in the union or not - that has been proven (case in point by ST unilatterally extending the RP agreement when a vote actually turned it down). Management has done nothing but negotiate with the AOA for conditions worse than previous. Negotiations for everything take years as management can stall as they please with the union sticking their hands in the air, and don't say "well things are different now, we have a new president and committee etc", tell me the last time the AOA did anything beneficial for the pilot body as a whole - not minute wins, I mean large victories which have significantly bettered the COS of flight crew. I am happy to stand corrected but I don't think anything has really been acheived for many years, why? Divide and conquer by management. You will never get a union to agree when there are so many different COS and packages. I am financially better off because I don't have to pay subs. You'd be better off negotiating individually with management, about as successful I reckon.
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You'd be better off negotiating individually with management, about as successful I reckon.
I am financially better off because I don't have to pay subs.
Just turning up to work everytime you are in fact benefiting from the things the AOA has negotiated yet you try to but fail to justify not contributing.Saying you would rather negotiate your own contract is a nothing statement as you know that is and never will be possible.
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Gee Hydrolix, if everyone has the same outlook then we are in real trouble.
The union has been a mess for years but is now on the road to recovery. For once we seem to have our house in order.
The fact that NR feels it necessary to sabotage/prevent/call it what you like contact with new joiners shows that he is really worried about a strong union. NR and the CX management are trying really really hard to prevent this happening.
What further motivation do you need?
The union has been a mess for years but is now on the road to recovery. For once we seem to have our house in order.
The fact that NR feels it necessary to sabotage/prevent/call it what you like contact with new joiners shows that he is really worried about a strong union. NR and the CX management are trying really really hard to prevent this happening.
What further motivation do you need?
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Hydro,
what have you got to lose by not being a member? What is the rational for people to not join the union? The new membership fees are not exactly taxing given other things that people spend their money on.
Consider the basic tenements. Not being a member gives you absolutely no chance of ever being able to negotiate anything of worth from the company. Having a strong unified workforce gives you some (even if slim) chance of avoiding complete subserviance. Sure the AoA can't deliver everything everyone wants right now but it is the only, I repeat only way that the aircrew body is represented to management.
Isn't it worth at least having some sort of shot at protecting your rights as opposed to absolutely nothing at all? Come on everyone, join up and write off the expense as one less night in Wanchai.
Cheers
CMOT.
what have you got to lose by not being a member? What is the rational for people to not join the union? The new membership fees are not exactly taxing given other things that people spend their money on.
Consider the basic tenements. Not being a member gives you absolutely no chance of ever being able to negotiate anything of worth from the company. Having a strong unified workforce gives you some (even if slim) chance of avoiding complete subserviance. Sure the AoA can't deliver everything everyone wants right now but it is the only, I repeat only way that the aircrew body is represented to management.
Isn't it worth at least having some sort of shot at protecting your rights as opposed to absolutely nothing at all? Come on everyone, join up and write off the expense as one less night in Wanchai.
Cheers
CMOT.