bye bye KAps
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It is amazing how some people confuse professionalism with wearing a hat! Must be ex airforce brainwashed mindless person. Professionalism has NOTHING to do with wearing a cap! Grow up kids - it's 2008.
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But wadawedo in the pub now?
So where is one now expected to store one's tie, name tag and epaulettes whilst in the pub?
I guess one may also assume that the decision would have been fuel based rather than one based on years of tradition unhindered by progress.
The bean-counters must have worked out that (Lack of hat weight + removal of associated, but no longer needed, hat hangar) x N crew x Y flights X 365 days, minus cost of Haeco hours for removal, would = 3/8 of a nano gallon/year.
Now if only we could get rid of the long pants and graduate to T-shirts, shorts and desert boots. No dress thongs please - we do have standards!
I guess one may also assume that the decision would have been fuel based rather than one based on years of tradition unhindered by progress.
The bean-counters must have worked out that (Lack of hat weight + removal of associated, but no longer needed, hat hangar) x N crew x Y flights X 365 days, minus cost of Haeco hours for removal, would = 3/8 of a nano gallon/year.
Now if only we could get rid of the long pants and graduate to T-shirts, shorts and desert boots. No dress thongs please - we do have standards!
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Don't know what the CX guys a croaking about professionally. The Chief Pilot of KA is a loaned pilot from Cathay Pacific who I haven't seen wear his KA hat since the exchange began. So it must be a CX directive the caps are going- saves 50,000 USD per year too.
We get spoon fed CX SOP's- 50's Royal Air Force & Boeing- but lose the hats.
We get spoon fed CX SOP's- 50's Royal Air Force & Boeing- but lose the hats.
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We pitch ourselves at SQ and guess what...............they wear hats as all professional Pilot's do.
Along with waxed mustaches, scarves, gloves and goggles.
But hey, whatever makes ya feel really special
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Professional image
Interesting...this subject came up in discussion in a non airline environment., i.e people who pay our bread and butter. As passengers they said there is a certain amount of security in seeing a pilot in FULL uniform looking proud and polished, they felt it them of his attention and care in his job which in turn made them feel in "safer hands".
I've always felt proud to wear my Uniform and Hat. In fact I have am proud to be a pilot. I don't wear longs sleeves and if I ever do I won't be apologising to any of the upstarts on this site who really it seems need a dose of the real world out there. Throw out your uniforms lads, with your manners dignity and the rest and sure soon the will be look like a shower of nobodies who deserve to be treated like crap by management.
Respecting your Uniform, your colleagues your profession and yourself, I would go as far as to say probably reflects on your performance as a pilot!
Its not the "WE" are special but what we do is and we should have respect for that, the way you carry your uniforms gives out a message to those thousands of people putting their life in your hands.
I've always felt proud to wear my Uniform and Hat. In fact I have am proud to be a pilot. I don't wear longs sleeves and if I ever do I won't be apologising to any of the upstarts on this site who really it seems need a dose of the real world out there. Throw out your uniforms lads, with your manners dignity and the rest and sure soon the will be look like a shower of nobodies who deserve to be treated like crap by management.
Respecting your Uniform, your colleagues your profession and yourself, I would go as far as to say probably reflects on your performance as a pilot!
Its not the "WE" are special but what we do is and we should have respect for that, the way you carry your uniforms gives out a message to those thousands of people putting their life in your hands.
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If KA (and CX) were serious about the way we looked we wouldn't have changed tailors (for the worse) 3 times.
I always said "as long as they paid me enough, I would wear a clownsuit to work."
I just didn't think they would would take me up on the offer!!
Caps are a joke....and so are the pilots who think that the CAP makes them professional!
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I always said "as long as they paid me enough, I would wear a clownsuit to work."
I just didn't think they would would take me up on the offer!!
Caps are a joke....and so are the pilots who think that the CAP makes them professional!
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To Cap or not to Cap, that is the Question!
Just a thought here. I have always been one not too fussed about the hat myself. However recently I was talking to one of my collegues at Virgin Blue in Oz. He tells me that the "dumbing down" of the uniform, although a very good idea in promoting the low cost concept, working mans airline idea, it also had the disasterious effect of gaining almost no respect from Cabin Crew, Ground Staff & Managers alike. He wasn't sure if that was just the corporate culture that was being adopted, but certainly felt that without the correct uniform it much harder to command respect, from the backend, bottom end, ground end, where ever, when you just don't look the part!
So loosing the Cap, not such a bad thing, but making the uniform any less official or casual might invite the same kind of problems they have in Oz.
You got the bad boy!
So loosing the Cap, not such a bad thing, but making the uniform any less official or casual might invite the same kind of problems they have in Oz.
You got the bad boy!
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The problem is not the hat. It is when the hat become a line check issue. Personally to me its part of a uniform, but I would not be worried if a crew member don't have a hat, and yes, I am ex military. Not RAF though.
yes of course the hat don't maketh the man but......don't you guys have any pride in your appearance?
volarecantare said it very well, so I post it again.
volarecantare said it very well, so I post it again.
Interesting...this subject came up in discussion in a non airline environment., i.e people who pay our bread and butter. As passengers they said there is a certain amount of security in seeing a pilot in FULL uniform looking proud and polished, they felt it them of his attention and care in his job which in turn made them feel in "safer hands".
I've always felt proud to wear my Uniform and Hat. In fact I have am proud to be a pilot. I don't wear longs sleeves and if I ever do I won't be apologising to any of the upstarts on this site who really it seems need a dose of the real world out there. Throw out your uniforms lads, with your manners dignity and the rest and sure soon the will be look like a shower of nobodies who deserve to be treated like crap by management.
Respecting your Uniform, your colleagues your profession and yourself, I would go as far as to say probably reflects on your performance as a pilot!
Its not the "WE" are special but what we do is and we should have respect for that, the way you carry your uniforms gives out a message to those thousands of people putting their life in your hands.
I've always felt proud to wear my Uniform and Hat. In fact I have am proud to be a pilot. I don't wear longs sleeves and if I ever do I won't be apologising to any of the upstarts on this site who really it seems need a dose of the real world out there. Throw out your uniforms lads, with your manners dignity and the rest and sure soon the will be look like a shower of nobodies who deserve to be treated like crap by management.
Respecting your Uniform, your colleagues your profession and yourself, I would go as far as to say probably reflects on your performance as a pilot!
Its not the "WE" are special but what we do is and we should have respect for that, the way you carry your uniforms gives out a message to those thousands of people putting their life in your hands.
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I wish I had a hat to dip to your 3% payrise ACMS. But I don't. Neither does the loaned CX pilot flying with KA- take it up with him.
The CX culture is loaded with insecure lunatics. I caution KA pilots on integration.
The CX culture is loaded with insecure lunatics. I caution KA pilots on integration.
whatever mate..............
Pilot's that wear their rank slides skew wiff, have their tie loose, shirt tail hanging out and NO HAT look crap and don't do justice to their profession.
Have some PRIDE man.
Pilot's that wear their rank slides skew wiff, have their tie loose, shirt tail hanging out and NO HAT look crap and don't do justice to their profession.
Have some PRIDE man.