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Look on the bright side - all that money KA will save on hats will help make sure you get your 13th month!
And if you're that worried about appearances, how about having a go at all the overweight, unhealthy 3/4 bars on your side of the fence ... where does personal pride start and stop?
There have to be bigger issues ...
And if you're that worried about appearances, how about having a go at all the overweight, unhealthy 3/4 bars on your side of the fence ... where does personal pride start and stop?
There have to be bigger issues ...
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volarecantare:
very well said.
i dont particulary like hats, my first one vanished over the caribbean long ago,never had one since.
come to think of it,do mexican pilots wear hats?
very well said.
i dont particulary like hats, my first one vanished over the caribbean long ago,never had one since.
come to think of it,do mexican pilots wear hats?
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Once again, could the CX pilots who have a problem with the lack of hats at KA take it up with your CX colleague at the Dragonair Chief Pilot's helm.
Do CX pilots wear their hats when venturing out in the cabin for a toilet break or leg stretch? I think they should. It looks professional.
Do CX pilots wear their hats when venturing out in the cabin for a toilet break or leg stretch? I think they should. It looks professional.
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soon the will be look like a shower of nobodies who deserve to be treated like crap by management.
I don't mind wearing my hat, as long as I have shrunken it vertically. I hate looking like an Argentinian General........ My head is big enough.
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Thought you left Vermin,obviously not,especially for someone so vehemently opposed to KA or anyone joining it. Said you were back in England,but obviously you are not from there either. Enjoy your 13th!
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I would go as far as to say probably reflects on your performance as a pilot!
What incredible pomposity.
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One poster associated the lack of hats with the "dumbing down" of the industry, one only has to view the posts on this thread to realize it is not the hats that are the culprits, it's the twits standing under them.
Cool as a moosp
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I don't feel I need a hat to feel professional, but several studies over the years have suggested that airline crew in a hat give out more confidence to the traveling public. Oh public...
I hate the things, but what I hate the most is that cx choose the cheapest milliner in China to make them, and we end up looking like demented South American generals, whereas a properly made uniform hat can be quite fetching to the ladies. That I believe is their ploy, as in many ways in the last ten or so years the demeaning of the pilot workforce has been the aim of many managers outside of flight operations.
When we tried to get rid of the hats around 12 years ago (using cost as the reason, they cost HK$456 at that time) the then DFO said that the edict came from London that CX pilots shall wear hats.
So there it is then.
I hate the things, but what I hate the most is that cx choose the cheapest milliner in China to make them, and we end up looking like demented South American generals, whereas a properly made uniform hat can be quite fetching to the ladies. That I believe is their ploy, as in many ways in the last ten or so years the demeaning of the pilot workforce has been the aim of many managers outside of flight operations.
When we tried to get rid of the hats around 12 years ago (using cost as the reason, they cost HK$456 at that time) the then DFO said that the edict came from London that CX pilots shall wear hats.
So there it is then.
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Don't kill the magic and be careful what you wish for....
"I began wearing hats as a young lawyer because it helped me to establish my professional identity. Before that, whenever I was at a meeting, someone would ask me to get coffee"
Bella Abzug
If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.
Red Adair
By day, or on a cloudless night, a pilot may drink the wine of the gods, but it has an earthly taste; he's a god of the earth, like one of the Grecian deities who lives on worldly mountains and descended for intercourse with men. But at night, over a stratus layer, all sense of the planet may disappear. You know that down below, beneath that heavenly blanket is the earth, factual and hard. But it's an intellectual knowledge; it's a knowledge tucked away in the mind; not a feeling that penetrates the body. And if at times you renounce experience and mind's heavy logic, it seems that the world has rushed along on its orbit, leaving you alone flying above a forgotten cloud bank, somewhere in the solitude of interstellar space.
— Charles A. Lindbergh, 'The Spirit of St. Louis,' 1953
When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return."
If we are not proud of our jobs, and of what our uniforms represent to the people who place their lives in our hands, then rather than throwing out the hats in themselves a symbol of that pride then maybe you should consider another career, this is more a question of dignity and respect than anything to do merely with hats. Sadly the dignity of our profession is being eroded and with that, our ability to protect and demand even our basic rights which effect moral, lifestyle health and potentially the accumulative effect of this, does effect safety. I believe Mr O Leary thinks along the same lines and some regarding the futility of hats and uniforms of hats, of course he also things Pilots are on the same level Mac Donalds managers and bus drivers....maybe you should join him.
The UK's Guardian newspaper wrote in June 2005 about Michael O'Leary: . "I am not a cloud bunny, I am not an aerosexual. I don't like aeroplanes. I never wanted to be a pilot like those other platoons of goons who populate the air industry."
Bella Abzug
If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.
Red Adair
By day, or on a cloudless night, a pilot may drink the wine of the gods, but it has an earthly taste; he's a god of the earth, like one of the Grecian deities who lives on worldly mountains and descended for intercourse with men. But at night, over a stratus layer, all sense of the planet may disappear. You know that down below, beneath that heavenly blanket is the earth, factual and hard. But it's an intellectual knowledge; it's a knowledge tucked away in the mind; not a feeling that penetrates the body. And if at times you renounce experience and mind's heavy logic, it seems that the world has rushed along on its orbit, leaving you alone flying above a forgotten cloud bank, somewhere in the solitude of interstellar space.
— Charles A. Lindbergh, 'The Spirit of St. Louis,' 1953
When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return."
If we are not proud of our jobs, and of what our uniforms represent to the people who place their lives in our hands, then rather than throwing out the hats in themselves a symbol of that pride then maybe you should consider another career, this is more a question of dignity and respect than anything to do merely with hats. Sadly the dignity of our profession is being eroded and with that, our ability to protect and demand even our basic rights which effect moral, lifestyle health and potentially the accumulative effect of this, does effect safety. I believe Mr O Leary thinks along the same lines and some regarding the futility of hats and uniforms of hats, of course he also things Pilots are on the same level Mac Donalds managers and bus drivers....maybe you should join him.
The UK's Guardian newspaper wrote in June 2005 about Michael O'Leary: . "I am not a cloud bunny, I am not an aerosexual. I don't like aeroplanes. I never wanted to be a pilot like those other platoons of goons who populate the air industry."
For all of these expressions of Professionalism, pride in the job, yadda yadda yadda, don't forget that there was never (as far as I am aware) any consultation with the KA pilot group over whether to keep said hats or not; the decision was simply handed down. Do you think KA management believe that their pilot group will suddenly become less professional due to lack of a hat?
I am extremely confident that the vast majority of pilots in KA feel no less professional than they were 2 weeks ago when they were wearing their hats, I also have the same confidence in that close to 100% of the KA pilot group are happy to see them gone.
If you honestly believe that wearing your uniform hat makes you feel more professional, perhaps you should keep it on at all times. Mr. V. I think you may be reading more into this more than actually exists. My only regret about losing the hat is now I have nowhere to store my ID card, wings, pen etc etc.
I am extremely confident that the vast majority of pilots in KA feel no less professional than they were 2 weeks ago when they were wearing their hats, I also have the same confidence in that close to 100% of the KA pilot group are happy to see them gone.
If you honestly believe that wearing your uniform hat makes you feel more professional, perhaps you should keep it on at all times. Mr. V. I think you may be reading more into this more than actually exists. My only regret about losing the hat is now I have nowhere to store my ID card, wings, pen etc etc.
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" . . but several studies over the years have suggested that airline crew in a hat give out more confidence to the traveling public. Oh public..."
Can you point me in the direction of one of these studies. I have seen studies that indicate that the travelling public couldnt give two hoots what we wear, especially considering that they no longer see us.
Hats and ties and wings and gold bars are a display of old world thinking. Shouldnt we strive to evolve and adapt to a new world. Does revenue still work with an abacus?
" . . but several studies over the years have suggested that airline crew in a hat give out more confidence to the traveling public. Oh public..."
Can you point me in the direction of one of these studies. I have seen studies that indicate that the travelling public couldnt give two hoots what we wear, especially considering that they no longer see us.
Hats and ties and wings and gold bars are a display of old world thinking. Shouldnt we strive to evolve and adapt to a new world. Does revenue still work with an abacus?
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Saw a major European airline crew with a shirt that looks a used motel bed sheet and it was not tuck it. However he was wearing his hat, which I think he used as a pillow in the bunk. It is not what you wear but how you wear it. If only the judges and lawyers would get rig of their wigs.
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Think you are missing the point a bit...but young men, be careful what you wish for...you are slowly walking your profession into the realms in which you will be sure to be treated wit the "respect we are deemed to deserve". No one is suggesting HATS make the pilots. I agree also its the WAY the uniform is warn also but if you cannot see the bigger picture of the direction we are all heading then well maybe we deserve what we get.
Remember the days that in an emergency the Captains Hat would distinguish him AS the captain in order to take control of emergencies, evacuations etc and to issue a sense of control in a panic situation....but of course in jeans and and shirt Im sure you will easily command the same respect in chaos...just shout loader eh or run out the door first, no one will no the difference.
Remember the days that in an emergency the Captains Hat would distinguish him AS the captain in order to take control of emergencies, evacuations etc and to issue a sense of control in a panic situation....but of course in jeans and and shirt Im sure you will easily command the same respect in chaos...just shout loader eh or run out the door first, no one will no the difference.
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Follow up For Dixi...
The legal profession have trialled (no pun intended) losing the wigs, but they were no longer seen as "detatched practioners and interpreters" of the law.
When they were perceived as being "just like the guy next door" - there was a marked increase in threats, and incidents, of violence toward them inside the courtroom; particularly in the Family Court, strangely.
Thats from a friend of mine who is a Judge in Oz
When they were perceived as being "just like the guy next door" - there was a marked increase in threats, and incidents, of violence toward them inside the courtroom; particularly in the Family Court, strangely.
Thats from a friend of mine who is a Judge in Oz
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