The NEW AOA, It is time!!!
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Saturn
You started this thread with a stirring post urging us to join the mighty AOA.
However, some days ago, 7th July to be exact, you wrote this....
"The info on those Oasis guys who took the positions no-one else applied for IS FALSE! When the AOA did nothing about that I knew t was over. I have given up on the AOA. I did my part for years and now know it has all been in vain. The violations of just the current agreements have been unprecedented. You can disagree or agree but we had our chance and the AOA will NEVER be able to really do anything for us again""
I have added the bold.
Saturn, one of us is a confused chappie
and I suspect it's not me
However, some days ago, 7th July to be exact, you wrote this....
"The info on those Oasis guys who took the positions no-one else applied for IS FALSE! When the AOA did nothing about that I knew t was over. I have given up on the AOA. I did my part for years and now know it has all been in vain. The violations of just the current agreements have been unprecedented. You can disagree or agree but we had our chance and the AOA will NEVER be able to really do anything for us again""
I have added the bold.
Saturn, one of us is a confused chappie
and I suspect it's not me
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Liam, you may be right but thankfully we have an AOA willing to try! I give top marks to this president for early decisions and the gumption to want to fix things.
Just two weeks ago I too was very negative on the AOA. Given this video speech, I'm willing to give them another shot.
So, you can ask yourself, are you going to stand in their way and become just another hurdle or will you help them...help you?
Just two weeks ago I too was very negative on the AOA. Given this video speech, I'm willing to give them another shot.
So, you can ask yourself, are you going to stand in their way and become just another hurdle or will you help them...help you?
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Just two weeks ago I too was very negative on the AOA.
Try two days mate.... didn't you write some post that finished with "Me Me Me".... however did find this recent gem...
way anything will ever change is if people leave and/or stop coming. Otherwise, what you get is all you will get!
With you and Saturn as cheerleaders for the New President, PW* must get a warm fuzzy feeling..... I feel so inspired....
*For PW; read Ph!l W@lker or P@ul We@ther!lt (delete as appropriate)
Try two days mate.... didn't you write some post that finished with "Me Me Me".... however did find this recent gem...
way anything will ever change is if people leave and/or stop coming. Otherwise, what you get is all you will get!
With you and Saturn as cheerleaders for the New President, PW* must get a warm fuzzy feeling..... I feel so inspired....
*For PW; read Ph!l W@lker or P@ul We@ther!lt (delete as appropriate)
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Liam, you sound like you would be happy if the new pres failed!
Days or weeks doesn't matter, if it's the same old stuff then nothing will change but when I see a change then anything is possible. Personally, I would rather see a change regardless of the method.
Days or weeks doesn't matter, if it's the same old stuff then nothing will change but when I see a change then anything is possible. Personally, I would rather see a change regardless of the method.
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Great post guys, this is what we need, some momentum!!!
Any locals who feel they wont be represented, you need to get in touch with JF/PW and have a chat, if you choose to put your head in the sand then that is your own fault!!
All the ney sayers will continue here, doom and gloom, but what do they offer you as solutions....yeah nothing!!!! No-one can deny the failings of the AoA in recent times but its time to move on again and with this new GC and Prez there is hope!!!!!! Come on guys, put up or shut up!!!!!
Any locals who feel they wont be represented, you need to get in touch with JF/PW and have a chat, if you choose to put your head in the sand then that is your own fault!!
All the ney sayers will continue here, doom and gloom, but what do they offer you as solutions....yeah nothing!!!! No-one can deny the failings of the AoA in recent times but its time to move on again and with this new GC and Prez there is hope!!!!!! Come on guys, put up or shut up!!!!!
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CPDude
Don't try and deflect the flak; I have no issue with the New President; far from it...
I have an issue with you and Saturn. Am I really to believe a 7:15 Youtube video can turn you both into AOA cheerleaders?
If this President leads you in a direction ST wasn't prepared to (and I am not suggesting he will) and the Company responds with Negative Rostering and Contracts in Mailboxs and it all starts to get a bit uncomfortable; I wonder where your Sequins and Pom-Poms will be then?
Further, whilst you both were on here slagging off the AOA, it was known that PW was going to be the next President and his manifesto was available for all to see.... so why the big change once a short video is released. Perhaps if you spent more time keeping up with Company Politics and less time on here spouting emotive rhetoric, I would respect you both a bit more.
I have an issue with you and Saturn. Am I really to believe a 7:15 Youtube video can turn you both into AOA cheerleaders?
If this President leads you in a direction ST wasn't prepared to (and I am not suggesting he will) and the Company responds with Negative Rostering and Contracts in Mailboxs and it all starts to get a bit uncomfortable; I wonder where your Sequins and Pom-Poms will be then?
Further, whilst you both were on here slagging off the AOA, it was known that PW was going to be the next President and his manifesto was available for all to see.... so why the big change once a short video is released. Perhaps if you spent more time keeping up with Company Politics and less time on here spouting emotive rhetoric, I would respect you both a bit more.
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Liam, please read my initial post again. I admit to what I have said. But I have decided to give it another try. No, it is not just the video, that is just silly isn't it. You can slag me and Capt dude if you like but again I'd ask to direct it where it needs to be directed. If the issues do not affect you nor does it bother you about your brothers and sisters at CX, then I guess you are just having a great career. There are a lot of us who are getting absouletely screwed by the issues and we need to at least try to fix it. I personally am ashamed of the lies being told by the 3rd floor. I am actually surprised these guys have given into what they know is flat wrong.
I have just decided to direct my energy and my fight to where it needs to be. I am also looking at other opportunities as if the issues do not got fixed, it is time to fly. There are still a lot of opportunities out there.
If we accept DEC's then what would be the point of working for CX. Here is our very last chance.
I ask that your refrain from copying and posting, it does no good. Thanks.
I have just decided to direct my energy and my fight to where it needs to be. I am also looking at other opportunities as if the issues do not got fixed, it is time to fly. There are still a lot of opportunities out there.
If we accept DEC's then what would be the point of working for CX. Here is our very last chance.
I ask that your refrain from copying and posting, it does no good. Thanks.
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At the very least it looks to be a step in a better direction. The other encouraging step is the use of the Wilson people to poll the group. I still didn't see much mention of us freighter pukes though other than the pax guys aren't happy having to fly them. We are here too, "wearing the same uniform". God forbid, now some of you actually have to fly with us
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I ask that your refrain from copying and posting, it does no good. Thanks
Does no good for whom? You perchance.. by demonstrating how inconsistent your posts are?
If people like CPdude and ACMS come on here trying to sell the "new AOA", I feel it is important to point out they have a posting history showing a gross misunderstanding of basic Company Politics.... readers are then free to make up their own minds as to validity of the opinions expressed in their posts..... I think it's all part of being in a free society and informed decision making.
Does no good for whom? You perchance.. by demonstrating how inconsistent your posts are?
If people like CPdude and ACMS come on here trying to sell the "new AOA", I feel it is important to point out they have a posting history showing a gross misunderstanding of basic Company Politics.... readers are then free to make up their own minds as to validity of the opinions expressed in their posts..... I think it's all part of being in a free society and informed decision making.
Pardon me?
What did you say?
please cut and paste what I said in the past to deserve that remark mate.
What did you say?
posting history showing a gross misunderstanding of basic Company Politics
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Liam, Cpdude and Saturn,
Could you ladies take your handbags and go private with your cat fight please? Can we stay on topic?
Whilst a simple Youtube vid is not going to spark a major revolution, it is nonetheless a positive step from the AOA president.
Could you ladies take your handbags and go private with your cat fight please? Can we stay on topic?
Whilst a simple Youtube vid is not going to spark a major revolution, it is nonetheless a positive step from the AOA president.
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Yeah come on guys, time to move on, that is the general theme here, put your differences aside and smoke the peace pipe!!
I just watched the vid and thought it was well thought out with some good balanced views from the new Prez!!
Start recruiting peoples!!!!!
I just watched the vid and thought it was well thought out with some good balanced views from the new Prez!!
Start recruiting peoples!!!!!
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At your service as always...
Just a selection from the recent Direct Entry Captain thread;
8th June 2008
... know a guy that was in Air Hong Kong back about 6 years ago ( the days when they operated the 747's in blue ) as a Capt.
We integrated some of them into CX into the Freighter fleet after we bought AHK? right?
So how come his date of Joining is shown as 1995 in Crew Direct and now he is checking out on the 400 PAX fleet as a Capt HKG base? ( I think he's flying PAX now )
Why isn't his DOJ around 2002? The date of the integration.
Only 3 basic factual errors there; but we all make mistakes. Loopdeloop and Firewall tried to put you straight. Still convinced, that some nasty-ex Freighter pilot was engaged in some underhanded plot, you responded on the 9th June...
All I know is that this guy was with AHK from '95. He was a Capt on the 742 classic and in 2000 he must have joined the CX seniority list. Now he's got a 744 Pax left seat based in HK on a fairly good housing allowance.
How'd he rate that after only 8 years on our list?
FAC6 and Fenwicksgirls nice try as peacemakers; ACMS, CPDude and Saturn have all come on here encouraging us to join the AOA. Whilst they are entitled to their views, surely I am entitled to examine their posting records and question them as to their credibilty as salesmen for the AOA. This is Pprune... not Cprune... debate is allowed here....
Just a selection from the recent Direct Entry Captain thread;
8th June 2008
... know a guy that was in Air Hong Kong back about 6 years ago ( the days when they operated the 747's in blue ) as a Capt.
We integrated some of them into CX into the Freighter fleet after we bought AHK? right?
So how come his date of Joining is shown as 1995 in Crew Direct and now he is checking out on the 400 PAX fleet as a Capt HKG base? ( I think he's flying PAX now )
Why isn't his DOJ around 2002? The date of the integration.
Only 3 basic factual errors there; but we all make mistakes. Loopdeloop and Firewall tried to put you straight. Still convinced, that some nasty-ex Freighter pilot was engaged in some underhanded plot, you responded on the 9th June...
All I know is that this guy was with AHK from '95. He was a Capt on the 742 classic and in 2000 he must have joined the CX seniority list. Now he's got a 744 Pax left seat based in HK on a fairly good housing allowance.
How'd he rate that after only 8 years on our list?
FAC6 and Fenwicksgirls nice try as peacemakers; ACMS, CPDude and Saturn have all come on here encouraging us to join the AOA. Whilst they are entitled to their views, surely I am entitled to examine their posting records and question them as to their credibilty as salesmen for the AOA. This is Pprune... not Cprune... debate is allowed here....
yes so.....
I wasn't sure so I asked a question using 100% correct information ( without the guys name ) and was immediatly shot down for being an A
trying to stir trouble...............nice types
I wasn't sure so I asked a question using 100% correct information ( without the guys name ) and was immediatly shot down for being an A
trying to stir trouble...............nice types
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I do not of course mind debate at all. But Liam you have made it personal. How you have picked me out I do not know but what you did on the other thread was bizarre and just plain disturbing. To actullay try and hurt my chances at another possible employer is so up that I actually cannot believe we work for the same company. It is one thing to debate or disagree with me on the issues and you are quite right there but to write what you wrote is just plain deranged. WTF over??? I will not let you disuade me form the task however. We all now know your true colors as a distubed and deranged individual. I mean damn dude. This will be my last repsonse to you. I hope the moderator would take you off after your post to 411a about me.
Now back to our program
up that I actually cannot believe we work for the same company. It is one thing to debate or disagree with me on the issues and you are quite right there but to write what you wrote is just plain deranged. WTF over??? I will not let you disuade me form the task however. We all now know your true colors as a distubed and deranged individual. I mean damn dude. This will be my last repsonse to you. I hope the moderator would take you off after your post to 411a about me.Now back to our program