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hit the nail on the head there retread7......i have heard many complain about how those taking ASL positions in the 90's delayed command by years and that they should have morally done the right thing. have to admit, if there was a job available and i needed to provide for the wife and kids, i would take the job rather than think "oh my, let me lose my entire livelihood so someone else can get a command".
these guys are taking the jobs because the system lets them.
personally i think it sucks. DEC's delays those cat A'd for the freighter....that in turn delays passenger 400 commands...the whole thing has ground to a stagnant halt for the FO's and SO's. but come on guys, there might be a few oddballs in those new recruits, which we suffer day to day anyway in CX, but cx is to blame for this mess not them.
a simple question to answer.....would you refuse to take a job offered to you by one of the few airlines in this planet that can ride the storms, and hence stick those $'s in your bank account every 26th of the month, just so that your mortgage and livelihood falls apart for the good of those awaiting command. we can ponitificate, call moral high ground, but we all know the resounding answer from all of us is NO WE WOULDN't
these guys are taking the jobs because the system lets them.
personally i think it sucks. DEC's delays those cat A'd for the freighter....that in turn delays passenger 400 commands...the whole thing has ground to a stagnant halt for the FO's and SO's. but come on guys, there might be a few oddballs in those new recruits, which we suffer day to day anyway in CX, but cx is to blame for this mess not them.
a simple question to answer.....would you refuse to take a job offered to you by one of the few airlines in this planet that can ride the storms, and hence stick those $'s in your bank account every 26th of the month, just so that your mortgage and livelihood falls apart for the good of those awaiting command. we can ponitificate, call moral high ground, but we all know the resounding answer from all of us is NO WE WOULDN't
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First it was 40 Oasis guys, now the Dragonair invasion commences! With around 40-45 KA skippers been given direct left seat upgrades, it seems there is no amount of free upgrades on offer in CX.
We are grateful of course, thanks, but I guess it won’t be too difficult, as most the line training will be with KA, with a rubber stamp by some compliant trainer to get our guys across with minimal disruption.
Seems the companies thought through everything, by keeping the line training away from some of those over zealous Cathay choppers, we should see our rightful B744 commands in a relative peaceful manner (yes they were stolen by CX ).
Bye bye KA, was a nice trip, but hey I couldn’t stand the fact I was stuck on the classic for so long, while others have taken my seat on an aircraft based in my country. It all sucks, but at least I will be a 744 Captain, I will have to thank CX for at least something! And I can give those Cx arrogant 3 bar types a hard time….
We are grateful of course, thanks, but I guess it won’t be too difficult, as most the line training will be with KA, with a rubber stamp by some compliant trainer to get our guys across with minimal disruption.
Seems the companies thought through everything, by keeping the line training away from some of those over zealous Cathay choppers, we should see our rightful B744 commands in a relative peaceful manner (yes they were stolen by CX ).
Bye bye KA, was a nice trip, but hey I couldn’t stand the fact I was stuck on the classic for so long, while others have taken my seat on an aircraft based in my country. It all sucks, but at least I will be a 744 Captain, I will have to thank CX for at least something! And I can give those Cx arrogant 3 bar types a hard time….
Yep, ignored them in the BKK hotel bar last week.
Bloody disgusting, some of these people should get a life and stop helping to screw ours. They sucked the CX tit dry over the last 25 years and now don't need the money so can work for true peanuts.
SHAME SHAME SHAME
Amazing some of the "old faces" I see in flt disp lately.
I hope the AOA say something soon?
Bloody disgusting, some of these people should get a life and stop helping to screw ours. They sucked the CX tit dry over the last 25 years and now don't need the money so can work for true peanuts.
SHAME SHAME SHAME
Amazing some of the "old faces" I see in flt disp lately.
I hope the AOA say something soon?
Forced retirement at 55 is now illegal in most states. It is discriminatory and against the law in most of the modern world. Why? Because it's too young to stop work. This situation is just CX trying to modernise and keep up with current practice.
I do agree that extensions should be offered in HKG only or another 'slot' on the base of the extendee should be created to stop blocking popular bases. That situation is something the AOA should address.
I do agree that extensions should be offered in HKG only or another 'slot' on the base of the extendee should be created to stop blocking popular bases. That situation is something the AOA should address.
I don't have a problem with these guys wanting to keep flying for CX. I would actually like to see most of them stick around.
BUT..............1/...I don't like them accepting rubbish pay, well below what we accept to do it. WAY WAY below. They can accept this pay because they have a sizeable PF sitting in the bank and some already own apartments in HKG and don't need any housing allowance.
In short this is POCKET MONEY for them, CHUMP CHANGE
.....................2/ rapid commands out of seniority are NOT ON. And don't tell me that none of our junior crew want or could take the positions. That's a convenient excuse they all make whan asked why they took a rapid command.
Of course the junior crew don't want the upgrade considering what CX would pay them, why would they
TIME for the AOA to take a stand..
BUT..............1/...I don't like them accepting rubbish pay, well below what we accept to do it. WAY WAY below. They can accept this pay because they have a sizeable PF sitting in the bank and some already own apartments in HKG and don't need any housing allowance.
In short this is POCKET MONEY for them, CHUMP CHANGE
.....................2/ rapid commands out of seniority are NOT ON. And don't tell me that none of our junior crew want or could take the positions. That's a convenient excuse they all make whan asked why they took a rapid command.
Of course the junior crew don't want the upgrade considering what CX would pay them, why would they
TIME for the AOA to take a stand..
two faces
there are hundreds of direct entry f/o's who don't give a crap about the s/o's who got shafted and even more freighter crew(including capts)that didn't give a hoot about anyone already at cx when they took a job....wake up and sniff yourselves
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Time for a Stance
It is time that we stop getting shafted by these DEFO's and Rapid Commanders. I say they are barred from joining the AOA, their acceptance of offered employment terms and conditions is and will continue to be detrimental to our case and future negotiations.
The "Oasis" recruits who have really
it all up are people who don't even want to be working at Cathay, so pack up and piss off. If the management think that they will be hanging around for the long haul forget these guys just want income while they tidy up affairs in HKG and move on I mean it would have to be a short term thing if you agree to work under those conditions. I love that fact that all us other employees sit there with reasonably stable rosters, very nice housing allowances bigger than their salaries!! They obviuosly have no self respect or just like the backdoor.
Further to barring them from joining the AOA it is time that the union stood up faced the music and represented the group, we don't need massive number we simply just negotiate for ourselves and AOA members only (non union on your own and no free riding). Then the numbers will come flooding back especially when the company only gives payrises and better conditions to approx 60% of the workforce. This decreases the company expenses by not having to paying out to everyone and it is not really a problem cause there is so many CoS pay scales out there anyway!
One can hope!
The "Oasis" recruits who have really
it all up are people who don't even want to be working at Cathay, so pack up and piss off. If the management think that they will be hanging around for the long haul forget these guys just want income while they tidy up affairs in HKG and move on I mean it would have to be a short term thing if you agree to work under those conditions. I love that fact that all us other employees sit there with reasonably stable rosters, very nice housing allowances bigger than their salaries!! They obviuosly have no self respect or just like the backdoor.Further to barring them from joining the AOA it is time that the union stood up faced the music and represented the group, we don't need massive number we simply just negotiate for ourselves and AOA members only (non union on your own and no free riding). Then the numbers will come flooding back especially when the company only gives payrises and better conditions to approx 60% of the workforce. This decreases the company expenses by not having to paying out to everyone and it is not really a problem cause there is so many CoS pay scales out there anyway!
One can hope!
Oh we're awake mate.
If everybody was in the Union we would NOT BE TALKING ABOUT THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
It's a defeatest attitudes like this that cause the problem.
"the AOA is useless, so I'll save my money"
The AOA is useless BECAUSE of selfish self serving attitudes like this.
If everybody was in the Union we would NOT BE TALKING ABOUT THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
It's a defeatest attitudes like this that cause the problem.
"the AOA is useless, so I'll save my money"
The AOA is useless BECAUSE of selfish self serving attitudes like this.
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guys,
Even with 100% membership, do you really think you'll get anywhere with the current AOA leaders? ST and chums are the reason I have not joined yet and even with a 100% membership ST will remain in the company pocket and a real waste of space.. When the AOA start acting like a union I will be the first to join.
Please feel free to attack my view and comment but that is the truth of the matter.
Ducking for cover now...............
Even with 100% membership, do you really think you'll get anywhere with the current AOA leaders? ST and chums are the reason I have not joined yet and even with a 100% membership ST will remain in the company pocket and a real waste of space.. When the AOA start acting like a union I will be the first to join.
Please feel free to attack my view and comment but that is the truth of the matter.
Ducking for cover now...............
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just yet ANOTHER pathetic excuse.
No ACMS, my view on the subject. Grow up and let others put their opinion across without the little rants you like to throw. I want to join a strong union with strong leadership who could improve our conditions etc but with people like your militant self it's no wonder people stay away.
Just a thought, if you were a member of say a gym or golf club and the service was well below par and you were not getting what you were promised, would you continue to pay your monthly dues?
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if you were a member of say a gym or golf club and the service was well below par and you were not getting what you were promised, would you continue to pay your monthly dues?
If the cost of less than one night out in LKF is too much for you then contact the AOA and they will help you out I'm sure. If you are comparing the AOA to a golf club or a gym then you are very confused and I suggest that you don't use that analogy when you go to Mr Rhodes to negotiate your next contract. But good luck.
When the AOA start acting like a union I will be the first to join.
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