Dragonair pod strike, -400F in MAN
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Dragonair pod strike, -400F in MAN
Figured it was worth copying to Fragrant Harbour.
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Female chinese Captain
Female chinese Captain!
Just for info. The captain was a chinese female, married to somebody in the KA trainings department. According to some KA F/O's who flew with her on the Airbus she was quite afraid of bad wx conditions and reportably unconfortable on the 400, looking to go back on the airbus.
My guess she won't be transfering to CX freighters!
The LH Airbus 320 in Hamburg was a female driver too!
Just for info. The captain was a chinese female, married to somebody in the KA trainings department. According to some KA F/O's who flew with her on the Airbus she was quite afraid of bad wx conditions and reportably unconfortable on the 400, looking to go back on the airbus.
My guess she won't be transfering to CX freighters!
The LH Airbus 320 in Hamburg was a female driver too!
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She flew out of a G day!
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Coincidently she just quit the union too a couple of month ago.
Wonder how long it takes for the SCMP to pick up the incident?
Did somebody in management say anybody can fly an airplane?
Fantastic idea to lower pay and let the autopilot fly.
Guess chances are cx will get the A380 now - Autoland only.
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CX/KA already planted the seeds with their new low pay structure attracting more bozzos. All these new spiky hair RJ guys on KA/CX will be fun to watch in the future.
CX's reputation is going downhill really fast.
Philipp Chen once pushed very hard for a female chinese captain in CX.
Wonder if he still does?
.Coincidently she just quit the union too a couple of month ago.
Wonder how long it takes for the SCMP to pick up the incident?
Did somebody in management say anybody can fly an airplane?
Fantastic idea to lower pay and let the autopilot fly.
Guess chances are cx will get the A380 now - Autoland only.
.CX/KA already planted the seeds with their new low pay structure attracting more bozzos. All these new spiky hair RJ guys on KA/CX will be fun to watch in the future.
CX's reputation is going downhill really fast.
Philipp Chen once pushed very hard for a female chinese captain in CX.
Wonder if he still does?
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Exactly my point.
Are these facts that you are highlighting any more special and revealing than the facts that the captain on THAT CX 250 was British and a male? How about the captain on THAT JFK flight who was caucasian and a male? The captain of that CAL MD-11 which overturned at CLK?
Unless you present statistical data to show beyond dispute that a particular gender or race of pilots have been involved in more incidents/accidents, and have been reasonably shown to be directly responsible for such incidents/accidents, I object to your implying all Chinese women can't fly.
By questioning whether PC would still wish there to be a CX Chinese female captain, you are suggesting that the competence of the next Chinese female pilot should be put in doubt solely because of what someone else has done.
Where are you from? Imagine being told in your CA that because a compatriot of yours had crashed an aeroplane, you are to be Cat B'ed for two years regardless of your own records? Please tell me where you are from, you seem to think you belong to a perfect race, and gender.
Are these facts that you are highlighting any more special and revealing than the facts that the captain on THAT CX 250 was British and a male? How about the captain on THAT JFK flight who was caucasian and a male? The captain of that CAL MD-11 which overturned at CLK?
Unless you present statistical data to show beyond dispute that a particular gender or race of pilots have been involved in more incidents/accidents, and have been reasonably shown to be directly responsible for such incidents/accidents, I object to your implying all Chinese women can't fly.
By questioning whether PC would still wish there to be a CX Chinese female captain, you are suggesting that the competence of the next Chinese female pilot should be put in doubt solely because of what someone else has done.
Where are you from? Imagine being told in your CA that because a compatriot of yours had crashed an aeroplane, you are to be Cat B'ed for two years regardless of your own records? Please tell me where you are from, you seem to think you belong to a perfect race, and gender.
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CX/KA already planted the seeds with their new low pay structure attracting more bozzos. All these new spiky hair RJ guys on KA/CX will be fun to watch in the future.
If there is one thing I've learned in this buisness is that you never stop learning. But I guess since you know it all, what could you possibly learn??
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Just who isn't afraid to fly in bad wx??? Is the PIC's gender and race a cruical factor in the investigation report? She just had a bad day under very difficult circumstances. Is this worst than doing a go around and not knowing the AP has dropped off?
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Well said Dixi normus,
What is wrong with you Borat? Forget about low flying, this is a new level of low our profession is stooping to. Fly Borat, have you lost the plot completely. Are you hoping to stir another newspaper headline here with your comments at the cost of colleague?
Whether this pilot is a member of the union or not she is a colleague. Is not being a member of the union or gender or marital status or race now all hanging offense in your eyes too?
To claim something such as you have above as "a fact" under a pseudonym is plain cowardly. I would like a heart monitor reading of you in a max wind/X wind landing.
Personally I would respect someone more for admitting their concerns on the line someone who launches hand grenades on a website. She obviously has more guts than you are showing. Lets face women in all walks of life are braver than us for admitting fears and that scares the pants of some big "men" like yourself.
What is wrong with you Borat? Forget about low flying, this is a new level of low our profession is stooping to. Fly Borat, have you lost the plot completely. Are you hoping to stir another newspaper headline here with your comments at the cost of colleague?
Whether this pilot is a member of the union or not she is a colleague. Is not being a member of the union or gender or marital status or race now all hanging offense in your eyes too?
To claim something such as you have above as "a fact" under a pseudonym is plain cowardly. I would like a heart monitor reading of you in a max wind/X wind landing.
Personally I would respect someone more for admitting their concerns on the line someone who launches hand grenades on a website. She obviously has more guts than you are showing. Lets face women in all walks of life are braver than us for admitting fears and that scares the pants of some big "men" like yourself.
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Borat, you seem to be taking some sort of personal pleasure in posting your 'knowledge' all over the place. Your news is a week old and frankly, not very interesting. Having flown with the captain in question, I can assure you she is professional, capable, competent and certainly not afraid of 'bad weather'.
Any chance of a definition of bad weather by the way? Just curious what qualifies.
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Any chance of a definition of bad weather by the way? Just curious what qualifies.
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Guru,
Sorry if your feelings are tender, or if you got top marks in your sensitivity training course, but im not afraid to admit that I would have a bias based on what i've seen in the industry. If I were putting my family on a plane and had the choice between some crusty ole brit or a chinese woman, there would be no doubt as to whom i would choose.
When you take time to get down off your politically correct horse, the differences between Western and Chinese pilots are quite clear. Thats why airlines like CX have mostly westerns piloting them...it definitely not from the lack of Chinese..isn't there like a billion of them??
Dont get me wrong, I think women can do amazing things and should have the right to whatever they want, but dont confuse being allowed to do something, with being GOOD at what you do. You will always have your exceptions, but when taken on a whole, women just cant do this job as good as a man, add to that the chinese factor....oh my.
So Guru, run your burning bra battle flag up the pole and tell me how horrible i am, but I know somewhere deep inside of you, your last two remaining testosterone cells are giving each other a high five.
Luv..PX
Sorry if your feelings are tender, or if you got top marks in your sensitivity training course, but im not afraid to admit that I would have a bias based on what i've seen in the industry. If I were putting my family on a plane and had the choice between some crusty ole brit or a chinese woman, there would be no doubt as to whom i would choose.
When you take time to get down off your politically correct horse, the differences between Western and Chinese pilots are quite clear. Thats why airlines like CX have mostly westerns piloting them...it definitely not from the lack of Chinese..isn't there like a billion of them??
Dont get me wrong, I think women can do amazing things and should have the right to whatever they want, but dont confuse being allowed to do something, with being GOOD at what you do. You will always have your exceptions, but when taken on a whole, women just cant do this job as good as a man, add to that the chinese factor....oh my.
So Guru, run your burning bra battle flag up the pole and tell me how horrible i am, but I know somewhere deep inside of you, your last two remaining testosterone cells are giving each other a high five.
Luv..PX
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Come on Luv, what's wrong with you? A real man shouldn't use soft words like 'sorry'!
So I presume you have written a letter to the company which states you will not fly with any chinese because you think it is not safe? And you will ensure that you, and your loved ones, will not travel on a flight with anyone who is not a white man at the controls? If not yellow, what about black? What if he is mixed? Go on, enlighten us.
So I presume you have written a letter to the company which states you will not fly with any chinese because you think it is not safe? And you will ensure that you, and your loved ones, will not travel on a flight with anyone who is not a white man at the controls? If not yellow, what about black? What if he is mixed? Go on, enlighten us.
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Any incident comes as the result of a whole series of variables the crew being just one of them; any of us could form part of that chain. A true professional would be sympathetic to and supportive of any of our colleagues unfortunate enough to have been involved in such an incident.
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What year is it now? 2008 isn't it? And we still have so many racist and sexist bastard out there... Very sad... What's worst, they are probably my co-worker as well... I really hope "iLuvPX and FlyBorat" don't have any incident, because I will be the first one who will congratulate their gross incompetency over anyone won't ain't white and male.
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Holly Sheik!! Didn't realize that the DPA/AOA is a sleeper cell of the asian branch of the KKK. 
Can't believe in this day and age of advance education that people are still living in the medieval ages!
Can't believe in this day and age of advance education that people are still living in the medieval ages!
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PX and Borat are outa line....racist and gender based comments - wow....
There are good and bad pilots everywhere regardless of gender, race or nationality.
Some of the old-school, arrogant Brits, who destroy the cockpit CRM, aren't very good either.
There are good and bad pilots everywhere regardless of gender, race or nationality.
Some of the old-school, arrogant Brits, who destroy the cockpit CRM, aren't very good either.
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Two cross-wind landing incidents in recent times and both involve female pilots; what red-blooded male wouldn't draw the obvious conclusion.
So as we stride to the bar, male chests and egos puffed out strong.... Flt Lt Michelle Goodman DFC RAF will be having another boring day in the office, not having to worry about "onshoring", FTL's, working a G-day and flypasts at 50 feet.....
I hope I looked as good in my flying suit as she does in hers....
So as we stride to the bar, male chests and egos puffed out strong.... Flt Lt Michelle Goodman DFC RAF will be having another boring day in the office, not having to worry about "onshoring", FTL's, working a G-day and flypasts at 50 feet.....
I hope I looked as good in my flying suit as she does in hers....
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It's crystal clear that there are contributors to these boards who just don't understand . To offer up criticism of this crew who were faced with a rough night is the height of hypocricy especially so when one considers the recent Chep Lap Kok overshoot. To think an accredited expatriate crew thought the Auto Pilot was looking after them and thus they were absolved from that thing they are supposed to exclusively have (airmanship) is mind boggling. Captain Colin King who entitled his flying autobiography "Luck is No Accident" got it right with a title that some of you armchair sit at home critics should make an effort to think about. While you are thinking perhaps you can come up with a reason as to why Pprune seems to have the ability to suck up hurtful and unnecessary comments from what can only be described as the moral dregs of western society.
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Didn't realize that the DPA/AOA is a sleeper cell of the asian branch of the KKK
The DPA /AOA do not condone any racist behaviour or comments.
