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The Demise of Hong Kong Airlines

Old 2nd Aug 2012, 12:32
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Source

Where is your source?
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Old 2nd Aug 2012, 14:32
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Grrr CAD Finally Takes a Stand

Well done CAD! Finally some action has been taken, but it has taken some time to happen. I heard that HKA are returning their B737s and have sacked their B737 crew to allow them to take delivery of some A320s.

How is the much-publicized Gatwick service going?
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Old 2nd Aug 2012, 15:44
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True version slightly different,
No new expansion in excess of aircraft already ordered.
Quite a big difference. Lots more a/c coming this year.

The tug issue is interesting.
Ever since (and even before) coming to Hong Kong, I was told this country is one of the most business friendly and de-regulated nations on earth.

What a load of codswallop!

The CAD are as rigid and inflexible as a Third World state regulator, demanding a 4 month training course for tug drivers FFS.

Ah - but that's proper regulation you may say.
Fair enough.
But the Business Regulation in HKG is also far from Liberal.
Apparently some sort of 'franchise licence' is needed to operate a handling agency at HKIA. And guess what? You can't get one.
Cathay have that sewn up.

De-regulated, my ass. Its another typical ex-British jungle of red-tape, and Civil Servants on power trips.
Reminds me a lot of India in fact.

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Old 2nd Aug 2012, 15:57
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Interesting point of view algol..

Surely HAS is a daughter company of KA and as such abide the law.. However you fail to see the bigger problem underneath..How come HKA did not pay the bill in time?? I think that alone should be enough to revoke the AOC, just maybe HKCAD is being nice to HKA for a change
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Old 2nd Aug 2012, 16:17
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Rilax, I'm not going to make up excuses for defaulters.

But is THAT the truth?

You've now read a different angle on the HKA expansion story. Ready for more?

I've heard so many different versions of the 'defaulter/dodgy billing' argument that I no longer know who or what to believe.
But I'm well prepared to bide my time before deciding where the truth lies, because all that's been bandied about thus far is a load of rumour and innuendo. Insufficient RELIABLE data.

I'll make one prediction....
the truth will be a lot more complicated than you think, and no side will emerge squeaky clean.
Maybe the HKCAD already know that.

If it goes to Court - the truth will out.
If it doesn't go to Court - somebody is full of shit.
Wait and see.

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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 02:16
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Hong Kong is about money, not truth.

Real Estate, Pollution, CX , whatever..
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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 03:24
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I hear you guys, I hear you.

But unless the case is settled out of Court, or held In Camera, at least we should hear opposing arguments and can decide for ourselves - no matter what the Court rules.
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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 05:33
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HKIA

Actually only the 3 Mxx franchise holders are allowed to operate pushback tugs on HKIA.So HKA cannot operate its new tug unless it gains a franchise as a MRO and I do not think the other franchise holders will agree to that,Perhaps HKA should have asked the question first.............HKIA is a franchise operated airport.Airlines can handle themselves as per ICAO agreements but any service such as pushback/towing/toilet/water servicing/specialised equipment can only come from the 3 franchisees(Haeco/Casl/Papas).So while HKA can do its own check in/flight handling/maintenance it must use one of the franchised companies for the other services.Welcome to Hkg/Hkia a open and competative city..........NOT.
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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 05:52
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Heh - Cathay no longer has a shareholding in HAECO, CASL is BA/CI/UA, and PAPAS is SQ/CA. So oddly enough, far from CX having it all sewn up, they don't have a stake in any of the providers.

There may well be a case for another franchise to be awarded, but it doesn't say much about competence of HKA management that the franchise/ license requirements at HKIA appears to have come as a surprise to them
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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 07:11
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Well well well,

I have always said that the management at HKA were a bunch of incompetant fools. This is just another f-up in a long line a f-ups. Things like always seem to take them by "surprise", see what you get when you put a bunch of laundry managers in charge of an airline.

My suggestion is that they hand the whole show over to the super superior managment at HKE, things like this will never happen if I was in charge. Oh and I will do it cheaper than the last guy just so that I get the job. Trust me, the whole of HKE pilot body is behind me 100%, just dont ask them.



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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 11:14
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Hello Again!!

I haven't checked in for a while, and when I do, I see this thread is still the top of the Fragrant Harbour Forum!

I must admit, I thought that Hainan would ave cashed their chips in on this one a long time ago! Best of luck to those whoa re currently trying to make a living in HKA.
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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 13:15
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This company has me stumped , what is Hainan`s strategy they could pull the plug in a heart beat ( the chinese would do that ) or leave it status quo just plodding along, surely they can`t be making money in this economic climate CAN THEY whatever it is they can`t be giving the people working there too much confidence.
The " piss up in the brewery " comes to mind when you read that management don`t know the basics of a franchise operated airport, but i think Algol best sums up the fiasco at HKIA with HKA, its definitely more complicated than what it seems, like an iceberge most of it is not visible, likewise i wish all of the people that make a living at HKA all the best and long may that continue
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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 16:25
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Actually only the 3 Mxx franchise holders are allowed to operate pushback tugs on HKIA.So HKA cannot operate its new tug unless it gains a franchise as a MRO and I do not think the other franchise holders will agree to that,
A closed shop? A three-way Monopoly? Un - fkn - believable.
I wonder how that arose? Was it mere stupidity from the outset....or something -er- more lucrative?

Perhaps HKA should have asked the question first............
Yes, indeed. But maybe they did, and naiively thought it would be 'alright on the night' with HAECO?
Not enough reason to worry about or hold up building an airline?
I wonder what Jetstar will do about this?

HKIA is a franchise operated airport.Airlines can handle themselves as per ICAO agreements but any service such as pushback/towing/toilet/water servicing/specialised equipment can only come from the 3 franchisees(Haeco/Casl/Papas).
Its truly outrageous when you think about it. Third World BS.

So while HKA can do its own check in/flight handling/maintenance it must use one of the franchised companies for the other services.Welcome to Hkg/Hkia a open and competative city..........NOT.
You said it right.
Heh - Cathay no longer has a shareholding in HAECO, CASL is BA/CI/UA, and PAPAS is SQ/CA. So oddly enough, far from CX having it all sewn up, they don't have a stake in any of the providers.
Look at HAECO's own website.
It calls itself a 'Swire Group Company' right there.
Cathay is a Swire Company too - no?
You don't see any relationship? No parrallels of interest?

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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 22:23
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Hello Again!!
I haven't checked in for a while, and when I do, I see this thread is still the top of the Fragrant Harbour Forum!
Ah, this ruse alex is still alive! Well, HKA may well be still around long after your demise. We sure live in interesting times!
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Old 4th Aug 2012, 10:02
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Starting 3rd of September, HKA is ceasing flights to LGW....that didn't last long did it!

How long can the rest of the airline last?

Also, Reuters has picked up on the CAD not permitting any aircraft to be added to their current fleet of already operating aircraft:

Airbus orders at risk as regulator curbs HK Airlines expansion
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Old 4th Aug 2012, 11:25
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HKA a 4star airline by skytrax.... How??
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Old 4th Aug 2012, 14:26
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And HKE is a cargo airline...
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Old 4th Aug 2012, 14:47
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Skytrax is a scam. Its not real, but made up awards from company sponsorship. Like IATA.. or ICAO. Both only are there to effect change for the business. Not provide safety or oversight.
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Old 4th Aug 2012, 15:00
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Starting 3rd of September, HKA is ceasing flights to LGW....that didn't last long did it!
Source please?
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Old 4th Aug 2012, 15:19
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Internal. Heard this today from a friend @ HKA aswell.
I'm sure it will be released shortly.

Also if you go to their website and try to book you'll see all future flights are "sold out"

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