KA's average payrise
KA's average payrise
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The Real Deal!
Just to put all the onlookers out of their misery ...
1st Yr FO: Backpay HK$25646; Salary 01.04.08 HK$64606 (+13.36%)
Add avg HDP HK$3575 and avg monthly salary increase 15.9%
1st Yr CN: Backpay HK$45932; Salary 01.04.08 HK$96424 (+13.36%)
Add avg HDP HK$7150 and avg monthly salary increase 19.2%
n.b. HDP is a new allowance at KA, so it is included in the pay rise.
Not too much on the Roster front at this stage (lots of promises).
J class travel on CX.
Housing up: 44K to 55K for HPS and Rent 80K(CN) and 70K(FO) - up from 64K.
Just a start, but full marks DPA!
1st Yr FO: Backpay HK$25646; Salary 01.04.08 HK$64606 (+13.36%)
Add avg HDP HK$3575 and avg monthly salary increase 15.9%
1st Yr CN: Backpay HK$45932; Salary 01.04.08 HK$96424 (+13.36%)
Add avg HDP HK$7150 and avg monthly salary increase 19.2%
n.b. HDP is a new allowance at KA, so it is included in the pay rise.
Not too much on the Roster front at this stage (lots of promises).
J class travel on CX.
Housing up: 44K to 55K for HPS and Rent 80K(CN) and 70K(FO) - up from 64K.
Just a start, but full marks DPA!
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Congratulations to the DPA on there success in improving their pilots contract , its good to see a union with the balls to stand up to these tight arse's
Boy's enjoy your pay increase , you deserve it .
I am sorry to change the subject and get on to the CATHAY band wagon ,I am just so disgusted in the HKAOA .
Steve its about time you grew some balls and go there and get us a pay increase ( NO DEMAND IT ), stop sending us **** comparing us to Emirates and Qantas , why don't you compare us to Fed EX , UPS and Air France .
This handbag effort you have put in is a bloody disgrace and you and the A scale GC should be a shame of yourself .
we wont a fu@ken PAY INCREASE got it , they obviously have the cash .
Boy's enjoy your pay increase , you deserve it .
I am sorry to change the subject and get on to the CATHAY band wagon ,I am just so disgusted in the HKAOA .
Steve its about time you grew some balls and go there and get us a pay increase ( NO DEMAND IT ), stop sending us **** comparing us to Emirates and Qantas , why don't you compare us to Fed EX , UPS and Air France .
This handbag effort you have put in is a bloody disgrace and you and the A scale GC should be a shame of yourself .
we wont a fu@ken PAY INCREASE got it , they obviously have the cash .
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Not everyone Mr Bloggs ,
Its the guys over 50 , the NON UNION MEMBERS , the CADET'S , and our friend's from the DARK CONTINENT who don't have the balls to go into contract compliance , ( generalising of course ).
I think it's getting to the point where most people have had enough , moral is so low in CATHAY as it is in DRAGONAIR , that guys have had enough getting screwed over by this penny pitching airline ,
We should all go into CONTRACT COMPLIANCE .
I really think the Management and the Union ( if you could call them that ) , has really underestimated the moral and the hatred of how we are being treated , i really hope it comes back to screw them over , like they have done to us over the last couple of years
Its the guys over 50 , the NON UNION MEMBERS , the CADET'S , and our friend's from the DARK CONTINENT who don't have the balls to go into contract compliance , ( generalising of course ).
I think it's getting to the point where most people have had enough , moral is so low in CATHAY as it is in DRAGONAIR , that guys have had enough getting screwed over by this penny pitching airline ,
We should all go into CONTRACT COMPLIANCE .
I really think the Management and the Union ( if you could call them that ) , has really underestimated the moral and the hatred of how we are being treated , i really hope it comes back to screw them over , like they have done to us over the last couple of years
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There is a very simple formula to follow: first, all pilots commit to support ANY pilot that is victimised when contract compliance starts. If ANY pilot is fired, then ALL pilots stop work immediately. No work commences until ANY and ALL victimised pilots are back at work. If the company knew we were serious in this, then any action we take will be VERY effective. Work on a resolution of mutual support. Once that is in place, our power to shift the debate in our favour is immense.
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Well done the DPA, nice to see some balls.
I got slagged off for posting against the AOA and this is a classic reason why I did not join, because the AOA are a waste of time and money.
Now if CX had an association like the DPA I would join. ST, pull your finger out.
Again, well done to the Dragon guys and enjoy your payrise this Christmas.
I got slagged off for posting against the AOA and this is a classic reason why I did not join, because the AOA are a waste of time and money.
Now if CX had an association like the DPA I would join. ST, pull your finger out.
Again, well done to the Dragon guys and enjoy your payrise this Christmas.
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There is a very simple formula to follow: first, all pilots commit to support ANY pilot that is victimised when contract compliance starts. If ANY pilot is fired, then ALL pilots stop work immediately. No work commences until ANY and ALL victimised pilots are back at work. If the company knew we were serious in this, then any action we take will be VERY effective. Work on a resolution of mutual support. Once that is in place, our power to shift the debate in our favour is immense.
What a joke.
Quote Badairsucker: "I got slagged off for posting against the AOA and this is a classic reason why I did not join, because the AOA are a waste of time and money."
The reason the DPA are so strong is because they have about 85% membership. The AOA go to the company and the company say "Why should we listen to you -you only represent half the work force".
The reason the DPA are so strong is because they have about 85% membership. The AOA go to the company and the company say "Why should we listen to you -you only represent half the work force".
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Apple tree yard,
You don't like my attitude because it does not fall in line with what you believe in. Get over it. Even your AOA members have had enough, try reading some more threads on here, then you will see.
Dan,
What was the percentage pre 49ers????
I will not reply anymore regarding the AOA as this thread is about the KA pay rise, not the AOA.
Again, well done DPA.
You don't like my attitude because it does not fall in line with what you believe in. Get over it. Even your AOA members have had enough, try reading some more threads on here, then you will see.
Dan,
What was the percentage pre 49ers????
I will not reply anymore regarding the AOA as this thread is about the KA pay rise, not the AOA.
Again, well done DPA.
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CX Payrise
One would think that, seeing as come January 08, and as a result of some sterling negotiating skills and some nifty acquiescing, the senior members of the AOA GC will have handed the Company;
No? I wouldn't have characterised the imposed pay rise in return for shafting our junior colleagues 'significant' - anyone else care to comment?
I wonder what the AOA strategy actually is then?
There does appear to be another strategy that doesn't involve selling future colleagues down the road, constant appeasement, kow-towing, manipulation of the outcome of memberships votes, and sounding more like management than management themselves.
DPA have shown the way.
Perhaps we would do well to persuade our Dragon brethren to allow us to merge the respective associations so that some of their more productive negotiating strategies could be adopted. It would also probably do wonders for our association membership which is clearly languishing, (I wonder why...?!).
Well done DPA.
- a cheaper entry-level workforce by aquiescing to lesser conditions for New Joiners, (yes, they have sold their prospective colleagues down the road yet again!!!),
- continuing supply of checker and trainers by allowing an unfettered application of a retirement age increase to 65, (even though junior officers could get severely dumped on in case of industry slowdown as a result),
No? I wouldn't have characterised the imposed pay rise in return for shafting our junior colleagues 'significant' - anyone else care to comment?
I wonder what the AOA strategy actually is then?
There does appear to be another strategy that doesn't involve selling future colleagues down the road, constant appeasement, kow-towing, manipulation of the outcome of memberships votes, and sounding more like management than management themselves.
DPA have shown the way.
Perhaps we would do well to persuade our Dragon brethren to allow us to merge the respective associations so that some of their more productive negotiating strategies could be adopted. It would also probably do wonders for our association membership which is clearly languishing, (I wonder why...?!).
Well done DPA.
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What tha!!
Badair, you have a go at the AoA but congratulate the DPA for having balls. Those balls have 85% membership behind them, hence their strength. Also, pilots walking will speak louder than any pilots whinging and Dragon have had their fair share of pilots voting with their feet, well done to them!!
It is very simple, 85% membership and pilots walking= results!!!
You can sit back and bag the union all you want but:
50% membership and no-one walking=CX calling the shots!!!
It is very simple, 85% membership and pilots walking= results!!!
You can sit back and bag the union all you want but:
50% membership and no-one walking=CX calling the shots!!!
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Badair
Well done the DPA. and their pilots. Badair once again mouths it off about balls and the AOA etc etc. while he does nothing but whinge. I am in the AOA and stand ready to act when and if called. Badair you are like the 15% not in the DPA that reap all the benefits that the guys in the DPA (with balls) have achieved. As you are not in a union please don't congratulate the guys that are...you make me sick and to think you may be the head of a family. I suggest you grow some balls and get involved with the AOA so we can have 100% membership and get ready to take the company on.
