Jump Seats
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From: hong Kong
Jump Seats
Does it piss anyone else off when you search for availability of jump seats & you see its been given away to the husband of ground staff 2 minutes after the roster goes live ?
Jump seats should be allocated in the following order :
1) Operating crew's family members
2) AOA members
3) Non-AOA members
4) Cabin Crew
5) Gound Staff
6) Family
7) Management
Groups 5, 6 & 7 should not be approved untill close to the flight, to allow late requests form groups 1, 2, 3 & 4.
Anything else ?????
Jump seats should be allocated in the following order :
1) Operating crew's family members
2) AOA members
3) Non-AOA members
4) Cabin Crew
5) Gound Staff
6) Family
7) Management
Groups 5, 6 & 7 should not be approved untill close to the flight, to allow late requests form groups 1, 2, 3 & 4.
Anything else ?????
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From: hong Kong
As the Captain, I get to chose who gets the JS. That's my right.
The priority I use is the one above & that's what most AOA member Capt's do too. That's their right. We like to support those who support us all. That's our right.
Maybe another (of many) reasons to join the AOA.
But we all really know why you don't join ...... $$$$$$
The priority I use is the one above & that's what most AOA member Capt's do too. That's their right. We like to support those who support us all. That's our right.
Maybe another (of many) reasons to join the AOA.
But we all really know why you don't join ...... $$$$$$
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From: ceduna
aace
Nothing to do with money sport, all to do with what the aoa did for me -******* zilch, just like the last negotiations- they wanted to take conditions away from me- leave passage and I must go into new travel scheme- they are useless, they take from me to appease the others. You don't know what a union is.
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From: hong Kong
So Routetuner ....
What do you think your contract would be like if everyone was like you & there was no AOA. I can guarantee it would be MUCH worse.
Sure it's not perfect, far from it, but it's what we've got & we should ALL support it.
If you don't like it, join the committee & change it yourself .....
What do you think your contract would be like if everyone was like you & there was no AOA. I can guarantee it would be MUCH worse.
Sure it's not perfect, far from it, but it's what we've got & we should ALL support it.
If you don't like it, join the committee & change it yourself .....
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From: Honkers
Sorry but you AOA militants need to wake up and get a life.....
They have done F all to help you out in the past.
Care to share with us what the great AOA have done for the pilot body recently??????????
AACE, If you are the kind of captains CX have now, god help us all, you sad little man.
They have done F all to help you out in the past.
Care to share with us what the great AOA have done for the pilot body recently??????????
AACE, If you are the kind of captains CX have now, god help us all, you sad little man.
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From: Honkers
AACE,
Simple english man, you can't answer a question with a question.
Care to share with us what your little AOA has done for the pilot body recently???????????????????????????????
Some of us can see the fact that the company will do what the hell they want to do....AOA or not. You have been paying into your AOA and in return you have nothing, your loss mate not mine.
Care to pass on your thoughts on the last round of pay talks, ah yes, the great 3%.
Simple english man, you can't answer a question with a question.
Care to share with us what your little AOA has done for the pilot body recently???????????????????????????????
Some of us can see the fact that the company will do what the hell they want to do....AOA or not. You have been paying into your AOA and in return you have nothing, your loss mate not mine.
Care to pass on your thoughts on the last round of pay talks, ah yes, the great 3%.
Last edited by badairsucker; 30th November 2007 at 14:52.
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From: WestCoast
it's frustrating just to hear it
sucker,
what good does it do do whine and complain? do you think you have a better chance with negotiation by yourself or with the AoA?
Can YOU share with us what YOU've done for the pilot body recently?
NSO
sucker,
what good does it do do whine and complain? do you think you have a better chance with negotiation by yourself or with the AoA?
Can YOU share with us what YOU've done for the pilot body recently?
NSO
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From: hacking into my eras
Non-AOA jumpers
If the AOA had 100% membership, you would have seen better results.
How much leverage does it have when you play right into the company's divide and conquer strategy.
Individually I get very little from the AOA.
The upside is collectivelly.
I agree, no jumpseats for non-AOA members.
Hell no sectors either.
I'll take my jumpseat chances with non-AOA captains.
That is all.
How much leverage does it have when you play right into the company's divide and conquer strategy.
Individually I get very little from the AOA.
The upside is collectivelly.
I agree, no jumpseats for non-AOA members.
Hell no sectors either.
I'll take my jumpseat chances with non-AOA captains.
That is all.
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From: BC
I would love for some AOA captain to try and refuse me the jumpseat or leg. He had better have an excuse other than me being a non-member. I'm sure the management would love to hear about that.
The jumpseat is there to provide relief for the operating crew first and foremost. The priority after that should be for COMMUTING CREW, everyone else should be first come.
The jumpseat is there to provide relief for the operating crew first and foremost. The priority after that should be for COMMUTING CREW, everyone else should be first come.
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From: cathay city
did we forget about the freighters?
AoA this and that, who cares. The most important issue is being able to use the jumpseat to reposition to or from work. Unless we all live in domicile, this is a critical issue.
Now - why can't this company open up the jumpseats and supernumerary
seats to cockpit crew. Well, they say, it is a CAD rule.
CHANGE THE RULE !!!!
Doesn't make much sense that your mother can ride in the flight deck of a passenger aircraft, but a qualified pilot can't get on a freighter. I can only assume that CX doesn't want this privilege to be available to its crews. Keeping these restrictions in place gives them the false sense of control over the crews. In fact, pilots would rather call in sick if they can't get to work, rather than admit to the company they need the jumpseat. So the perceived control is actually blind ignorance.
Other airlines in the FREE world have already figured this out and made progressive jumpseat/commuting policies. They actually SAVED money as the number of sick calls dropped dramatically. The original crews operated their trips and the reserve pilots were saved for operational difficulties.
Opps.....tripped over another dollar, but at least I picked up a nickel
Hmmmmm....nickel is shinny
Now - why can't this company open up the jumpseats and supernumerary
seats to cockpit crew. Well, they say, it is a CAD rule.
CHANGE THE RULE !!!!
Doesn't make much sense that your mother can ride in the flight deck of a passenger aircraft, but a qualified pilot can't get on a freighter. I can only assume that CX doesn't want this privilege to be available to its crews. Keeping these restrictions in place gives them the false sense of control over the crews. In fact, pilots would rather call in sick if they can't get to work, rather than admit to the company they need the jumpseat. So the perceived control is actually blind ignorance.
Other airlines in the FREE world have already figured this out and made progressive jumpseat/commuting policies. They actually SAVED money as the number of sick calls dropped dramatically. The original crews operated their trips and the reserve pilots were saved for operational difficulties.
Opps.....tripped over another dollar, but at least I picked up a nickel
Hmmmmm....nickel is shinny
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From: BC
That would be entirely inline with the CRM practices CX teaches. I hope you would have a nice rest in the bunk too.
The problem with the AOA and its members remains the same: All bark..no bite.
Man-up ladies.
The problem with the AOA and its members remains the same: All bark..no bite.
Man-up ladies.
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AACE
You say you are a Cathay Capt; I am sure you wouldn't like anyone questioning your decisions regarding jumpseats, so why are you challenging a fellow Capt's decision?
If he chooses to give away jumpseats to "the husband of ground staff 2 minutes after the roster goes live" that is surely his right.... without question..
If he chooses to give away jumpseats to "the husband of ground staff 2 minutes after the roster goes live" that is surely his right.... without question..