Jump Seats
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From: Oztrailia
It's quite simple really.
You either a fellow Pilot that wants to work towards the better good of the Pilot community............or you're not.
If you're not interested in improving the Terms and Conditions of OUR employment collectively then ..............
One day you might make a small mistake and get thrown in Jail in some back-water country, maybe then you'll realise the folly of your selfish narrow minded "all for one and one for me" attitude. We WONT be there to bail you out.
good luck pal.
I don't have a list showing which guys are members and which aren't, but maybe I should get one?
Time to make these "hangers on" become accountable for their selfish in-action.
You either a fellow Pilot that wants to work towards the better good of the Pilot community............or you're not.
If you're not interested in improving the Terms and Conditions of OUR employment collectively then ..............
One day you might make a small mistake and get thrown in Jail in some back-water country, maybe then you'll realise the folly of your selfish narrow minded "all for one and one for me" attitude. We WONT be there to bail you out.
good luck pal.
I don't have a list showing which guys are members and which aren't, but maybe I should get one?
Time to make these "hangers on" become accountable for their selfish in-action.
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From: hk
I like alot of captains in the AOA give preference to the aoa member. If two crew members apply for the js then I will give it to the aoa guy BUT I will give it to a non aoa pilot before a non pilot. So my order is:
1. aoa pilot
2. non aoa pilot
3. relatives of crew
3. the rest....
It is my seat to give away and I WILL give it to who ever I want to and I will refuse anyone I want to.
1. aoa pilot
2. non aoa pilot
3. relatives of crew
3. the rest....
It is my seat to give away and I WILL give it to who ever I want to and I will refuse anyone I want to.
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From: WestCoast
just curious, does the company frown upon pilots joining the AOA? will it have any disadvantage on pilots when we need favors from them? An example I can think of is asking the rostering department for a specific pattern so we can commute..?
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From: Between a rock
An example I can think of is asking the rostering department for a specific pattern
Simple really. No bidline, no bids, no control of the roster, just a request system that is very simple.
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From: the fatigue curve
asking the rostering department for a specific pattern so we can commute..?
It would probably be more fun to dowse yourself in petrol and ask the rostering department for a lit match - Statistically you'd be almost guaranteed to live, After all, their favourite answer is CANNOT.
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From: hong Kong
Hell' Av'
Basically agree with what you say.
I'd never deny a fellow aviator a JS.
As the opening to this thread says, I'll just give priority to AOA members.
God nows why, but I'd even give badnobsuckr a seat !
Is that a sin ?
Basically agree with what you say.
I'd never deny a fellow aviator a JS.
As the opening to this thread says, I'll just give priority to AOA members.
God nows why, but I'd even give badnobsuckr a seat !
Is that a sin ?
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From: heads down trying to figure out Chinese RVSM
Fair enough AACE.
Like I said before, we all have our reasons whether or not to join the AOA. IMHO, I don't feel I have a right to 'condemn' a fellow aviator who chose not to join. Not to make this a philosophical nor a 'touchy feely' debate, some people truly cannot afford to pay dues to the AOA for personal reasons that One wouldn't understand unless One was 'in their shoes'. I know a few guys in this predicament - would I deny them a jumpseat just because they are not a member ? Certainly not. Do I feel that they enjoying the benefits that we as members have worked hard for ? Actually, I'd respond with a "No" considering the circumstances.
I respect your thoughts as well as PanZa-Lead's on your priority of acceptance. Still, IMHO, I would rather have a fellow aviator up front with us than someone who has no clue on what's going on, is able to lock themselves on the flightdeck despite having been shown how to open the door, or has the 'power' to assign me a middle class seat that doesn't recline and has that
entertainment box at my feet, but wants a jumpseat for their travels.
Like I said before, we all have our reasons whether or not to join the AOA. IMHO, I don't feel I have a right to 'condemn' a fellow aviator who chose not to join. Not to make this a philosophical nor a 'touchy feely' debate, some people truly cannot afford to pay dues to the AOA for personal reasons that One wouldn't understand unless One was 'in their shoes'. I know a few guys in this predicament - would I deny them a jumpseat just because they are not a member ? Certainly not. Do I feel that they enjoying the benefits that we as members have worked hard for ? Actually, I'd respond with a "No" considering the circumstances.
I respect your thoughts as well as PanZa-Lead's on your priority of acceptance. Still, IMHO, I would rather have a fellow aviator up front with us than someone who has no clue on what's going on, is able to lock themselves on the flightdeck despite having been shown how to open the door, or has the 'power' to assign me a middle class seat that doesn't recline and has that
entertainment box at my feet, but wants a jumpseat for their travels.
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From: heads down trying to figure out Chinese RVSM
Hmm....care to elaborate ACMS on why you feel it's Bull whilst you play Brahms in B minor ?
It's quite simple really, if you have a problem, why don't you refuse to fly with them or do your RT/PCs with them ? No guts, no glory mate
whilst you play Brahms in B minor ?It's quite simple really, if you have a problem, why don't you refuse to fly with them or do your RT/PCs with them ? No guts, no glory mate
Last edited by Hellenic aviator; 12th December 2007 at 01:12.
