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He hasn’t done anything wrong
It's always the old excuse for working a 'G'...oooh,I needed the cash,I'm so hard up for money..blah blah blah..so HK$ 800 is going to make a huge difference..
The names of 'G' day call-out
should be published on the notice board at dispatch, shall we call it: THE HALL OF NAME AND SHAME
If you're really so hard up for cash or the urge to work on your G,check the proffering board instead..you'll help out a mate AND make some decent cash..
'It's the little things in life that moves you'..yeah right!!Like a 3% salary raise!!
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Did I miss something?
When did contract compliance start? Is it suddenly verbotten to work on days off? Did we not learn from 99/01 that fear and intimidation of our colleagues is what the COMPANY uses not us!?
There has been no directive given to AOA members as to whether to help out or not. I know that many pilots are instituting individual contract compliance but that is their choice.
Whilst I am a union member I refuse to act like some BLF member or wharfie using fear/intimidation/shaming. It is embarrassing and unprofessional to say the least.
I agree that if everyone, and I mean everyone, stopped helping out that would put pressure on the company to effect remunerative changes, as it has with KA. But there has been no such directive from the AOA and there is still the matter of 40% of pilots not being bound by AOA directives.
There has been no directive given to AOA members as to whether to help out or not. I know that many pilots are instituting individual contract compliance but that is their choice.
Whilst I am a union member I refuse to act like some BLF member or wharfie using fear/intimidation/shaming. It is embarrassing and unprofessional to say the least.
I agree that if everyone, and I mean everyone, stopped helping out that would put pressure on the company to effect remunerative changes, as it has with KA. But there has been no such directive from the AOA and there is still the matter of 40% of pilots not being bound by AOA directives.
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Make your own decisions. If you want to work on a G, fine, I'm not going to judge you. But start b*tching to me about getting shafted with your roster or lack of payrise or 3 man longhaul etc I might just tell you to ....
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A buddy of mine worked a G day last 2 months ago and it put him in so much overtime that the Company paid him an extra 40,000 for the month. And got more days off to go home to see his kids. Sounds simple to me. So, it probably cost them more to call him out. Good for him.
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From these postings, CX seems a pretty miserable place to be. Is anybody happy there? Intimidation of any sort is inexcusable and the resultant atmosphere on the flight deck raises serious safety questions. The threats are reminiscent of the worst of the UK car, dock and other heavy industries decades ago. It must also seriously undermine anyone's enjoyment of being there. Most disturbing.
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The entire CX management philosiphy is based on intimidation.Rule by stick and not the carrot. It is so draconian that it beggars belief. Do a search for "The Management" & you will get some idea of their english-public-school-playground-bully mentality.(actually that applies to some of the "old school" pilots as well;MFL,PH,et al)
CX is run by absolute ******* but even so the AOA gave away most of our bargaining chips for free.Not working G's is one of the few we have left.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORK A "G" IF YOU DONT ANSWER THE PHONE.
DO NOT LOOK AT CREW DIRECT.
CX is run by absolute ******* but even so the AOA gave away most of our bargaining chips for free.Not working G's is one of the few we have left.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORK A "G" IF YOU DONT ANSWER THE PHONE.
DO NOT LOOK AT CREW DIRECT.
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write to the GC
I agree that if we did withdraw our flexibility CX would struggle to operate all flights. Some GC thinking in 2000 was that the membership should actively help the company so that the sudden withdrawal of that help would cause the wheels to fall off. I don't know if that is a viable option today as too many of our peers are far too disgruntled to help out. In fact I think morale now is as low as I have ever seen it!
So what I suggest is write to your GC and ask them to have contract compliance voted on. Unilateral individual action is not effective. Whilst you may feel good not answering the phone, someone else will. We have almost 1000 non members who don't have to honour an AOA directed contract compliance. And as I have posted before, we have no such directive at this time.
Just because some of you have decided to have your own contract compliance doesn't mean anyone who doesn't is a bad guy. WHat would affect the company more...contract compliance directive from the AOA after a long period of cooperation or contract compliance directive after most pilots had already been on individual contract compliance?
So what I suggest is write to your GC and ask them to have contract compliance voted on. Unilateral individual action is not effective. Whilst you may feel good not answering the phone, someone else will. We have almost 1000 non members who don't have to honour an AOA directed contract compliance. And as I have posted before, we have no such directive at this time.
Just because some of you have decided to have your own contract compliance doesn't mean anyone who doesn't is a bad guy. WHat would affect the company more...contract compliance directive from the AOA after a long period of cooperation or contract compliance directive after most pilots had already been on individual contract compliance?
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Skylion, if you didn't read PPRuNe and you worked at CX, you wouldn't even know about any of this crap. People don't whine on the job like the few do who make most of these postings on PPRuNe. The flight deck is pleasant and the whining, if any, is short-lived. 13 hours is too long to sit and whine!
Although some may be miserable, most are "happy." In fact, before every takeoff, the Captain asks, "Is everybody happy?" No one ever says he isn't!
There are over 2000 pilots at CX. Only a few post on PPRuNe. Although there are certainly issues with erosion of working conditions, CX is still a pretty good job. Who ever heard of a pilot who doesn't complain about what he has and whines about what he should have?
Although some may be miserable, most are "happy." In fact, before every takeoff, the Captain asks, "Is everybody happy?" No one ever says he isn't!
There are over 2000 pilots at CX. Only a few post on PPRuNe. Although there are certainly issues with erosion of working conditions, CX is still a pretty good job. Who ever heard of a pilot who doesn't complain about what he has and whines about what he should have?
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Those who promote the idea of naming officers publicly for making personal decisions on their work roster, perhaps you could post your own rosters up for all to see, and show us your actions of ballsy defiance.
Who knows, you might end up actually inspiring others to join your cause!
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Who knows, you might end up actually inspiring others to join your cause!
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I haven't gotten a reschedule from CC yet, but I am concerned about how I am going to handle it. Many of us new joiners don't know "how" to deny a G day, and if they threaten us, we don't know what they CAN do to us and what they CAN'T do to us. My plan is to not answer the phone, but what if I get a message when landing from a flight or sim? It would be nice if the AOA or others made it clear what CC can and cannot threaten, and what we can do about it.
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man are you lucky to fly with so many happy guys. On the two fleets I have been on in the last year there are many many unhappy campers. Still, if you say everyone is happy in your cockpit then I guess they are....do they laugh at all your jokes too;-)
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not sure if your question is serious - I will assume it is.
If you have a G day it is guaranteed. The only way they can force it off you is if you are down route and the roster changes. If you are on O days they can reschedule it for anything up to the day before, subject to 12 hours notice (ie if it was an 8am start they need to tell you by 8pm day before). You are not required to be contactable except on reserve and post duties on 8929.
CC guys are just doing their job - if they ask you to help them out you can say no. Please PM me with any specific details or call me,
cheers
man are you lucky to fly with so many happy guys. On the two fleets I have been on in the last year there are many many unhappy campers. Still, if you say everyone is happy in your cockpit then I guess they are....do they laugh at all your jokes too;-)
subwoofer
not sure if your question is serious - I will assume it is.
If you have a G day it is guaranteed. The only way they can force it off you is if you are down route and the roster changes. If you are on O days they can reschedule it for anything up to the day before, subject to 12 hours notice (ie if it was an 8am start they need to tell you by 8pm day before). You are not required to be contactable except on reserve and post duties on 8929.
CC guys are just doing their job - if they ask you to help them out you can say no. Please PM me with any specific details or call me,
cheers
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11. COMMUNICATION WITH COMPANY
It is a requirement that all Flight Crew are in regular communication with the company, other than when on approved annual leave. In this regard Flight crews are responsible for ensuring that they are in receipt of any company communication addressed to them through the GroupWise electronic mail system and that, where required, a suitable response is actioned in timely manner. They shall also be responsible for keeping themselves appraised of other relevant information pertaining to their duties with the Company through IntraCX. This communication shall not interfere with or impact in any way on pre-flight preparation or post flight duties.
The above quote was extracted from Vol 1 part 2 page 2-1-5 para 11. I wonder how should we interpret this para with regard to not answering/entertaining any call from company? Anyone care to elaborate especially this quote "It is a requirement that all Flight Crew are in regular communication with the company, other than when on approved annual leave."?
Are we liable to any diciplinary action for not adhering to the above para?
It is a requirement that all Flight Crew are in regular communication with the company, other than when on approved annual leave. In this regard Flight crews are responsible for ensuring that they are in receipt of any company communication addressed to them through the GroupWise electronic mail system and that, where required, a suitable response is actioned in timely manner. They shall also be responsible for keeping themselves appraised of other relevant information pertaining to their duties with the Company through IntraCX. This communication shall not interfere with or impact in any way on pre-flight preparation or post flight duties.
The above quote was extracted from Vol 1 part 2 page 2-1-5 para 11. I wonder how should we interpret this para with regard to not answering/entertaining any call from company? Anyone care to elaborate especially this quote "It is a requirement that all Flight Crew are in regular communication with the company, other than when on approved annual leave."?
Are we liable to any diciplinary action for not adhering to the above para?
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Just don't answer your phone on days off. At least as SO's, our schedules are good enough that we really don't need to do this. If you want to change your schedule, then use the exchange and proffering system. It's not worth the G day callout pay. I have been called so many times in the last month, I have lost count. They start with the listed number, then to the private. They call my mobile, my home, my girlfriend, my dog, etc. They are getting desperate. Just work your own schedule and they will have to remedy the problem.
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Flight crews are responsible for ensuring that they are in receipt of any company communication addressed to them through the GroupWise electronic mail system
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