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Old 19th Nov 2007, 03:50
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For the SO who agreed to work (CX) today,
Did you receive over-time?
Had you decided not to, and preserve your G days, I'm sure someone else could have received over-time.
Perhaps I'm wrong, but I doubt it...
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Old 19th Nov 2007, 04:47
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I was called three times today for this one. Just forgot to answer my phone....

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Old 19th Nov 2007, 10:23
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This sure sounds like intimidation to me!!!!
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Pick on the new S/O - Great stuff a real blat from the past.
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Wombatatico,
How is it your business to comment on what an SO does with his roster?
Your post is highly inappropriate for a public forum....if you have a beef with this guy or girl, try to contact them via a private means.
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wombatatico, way to go, lets turn on each other... idiot.
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Old 19th Nov 2007, 13:41
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How is it your business to comment on what an SO does with his roster?
It's totally my business. A pilot was prevented from earning overtime because another volunteered to work on a G day. I'm a pilot. It's my business...

way to go, lets turn on each other... idiot.
You shouldn't be so hard on the SO, he's new... But you're right, he's an idiot for turning on his own and volunteering to work on G days.
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Old 19th Nov 2007, 14:47
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If you look at the master roster, the guy was on an O day not a G day. How do you know he didn't have a roster change from an O to a trip.


Wom, you need to pull your head out from inside your arse.
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Old 19th Nov 2007, 16:31
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this sounds bad guys, pilots turning against each other

what if his wife lives in LAX and he's trying everything he can to visit?
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Old 20th Nov 2007, 00:19
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Womp:
One thing you must learn about most Cathay Pacific pilots is that they lack backbone. Seen it all before here. Poor S/O working on an O day. Don’t think 8929 gave him that flight or the other two blokes would not have been called by Crew Control trying to crew the flight. But hey, maybe he has a mistress in LAX and needed some loving.
In any respect, he most likely taken some overtime away from our crisis management rostering system, but he is OK. He doesn’t care if some other S/O was trying to pay one of his medical bills and needed that overtime, but he is fine. That’s all that counts.
Our North American Comrades have the will to fight for what they believe in and if need be will walk the walk. I can’t say that for Cathay Pilots. Hence you are being ridiculed.
You see, most here will work a G, O, or whatever and don’t want fellow pilots posting their flight numbers and dates as people will see what they are doing. They don’t want to be shamed. Others call it intimidation but it’s really shame. That is why they protest.
If you are called for a flight on an O or G, then that flight should be posted here.
I see the flight number was deleted, was that you or the moderator?
BTW, you will always get a 3 for RT.
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Old 20th Nov 2007, 00:39
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I see the flight number was deleted, was that you or the moderator?
The moderator ! After a spate of complaints. It is not acceptable to use a real name that is not already in the public domain and although I accept that was not the case here, the details given, presumably made the individual readily identifiable. The thread originator and all contributors to date have utilised their own anonymity whilst in certain cases being less scupulous to others.

This thread has therefore had a minor edit which was one of three choices open to me, however if the offending details are repeated or the thread degenerates the other options are still open.
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If you look at the master roster, the guy was on an O day not a G day. How do you know he didn't have a roster change from an O to a trip.


Wom, you need to pull your head out from inside your arse.
The pilot in question was on an O day followed by G days. He had to agree to give up his G days in order to operate the flight. It's too difficult to see. Just as it's not too difficult to say "no".

Sorry, but my head is in the clear, how about yourself?

ps - wrong guess at nationality, but I still receive 3's for comm nonetheless...
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Old 20th Nov 2007, 02:03
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You are clearly a very sad and pathetic little man.
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Old 20th Nov 2007, 02:31
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Wombatatico

Guess that you must have been the school bully?
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Old 20th Nov 2007, 02:48
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If you did your research thoroughly you would know that the said individual has obviously been asked to do the said flight on the 19th which was an “O” day. By doing this flight he/she has lost exactly the same flight he/she was originally rostered for on the 22nd. I wonder who will do his flight on the 22nd. Maybe the person that does do it will be on substantial overtime? Oh and I forgot to mention, he also gained six days off in a row instead of three by working the 19th.

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Give it a break. You really are sounding like a broken record. It’s all very well for you to act all tough while you are anonymous but history has shown those that act like this are usually the first to cave in under pressure.
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Old 20th Nov 2007, 03:53
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If you did your research thoroughly you would know that the said individual has obviously been asked to do the said flight on the 19th which was an “O” day. By doing this flight he/she has lost exactly the same flight he/she was originally rostered for on the 22nd. I wonder who will do his flight on the 22nd. Maybe the person that does do it will be on substantial overtime?
I did do my research. That's exactly what I said: an O day followed by G days. As per another pilot earning ovrtime, I hope you're right.
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Old 20th Nov 2007, 04:04
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Titan, you are correct, not many walk the walk, out of fear I suppose.

From the tone of this thread we still have many working G and O days when it is not required. Many don’t want their flight posted; I assume it’s out of shame.

Is it possible that if we didn’t help out so much that we may have been offered a bigger pay rise? Would we have COS 08 forced upon us?

If we didn’t fly the freighter, maybe the Freighter Pilots would get a pay rise or better Rostering Practice? That would actually benefit the pax pilots that have to fly the freighter. But it seems no one thinks of that. It’s about ME!

If we didn’t use discretion, would it be possible to get better crewing levels?

I am all for posting these flights.

Mr. Moderator, will someone be allowed to post the date and flight without rank or is that still a close shave? OUCH!

Help me understand why pilots will help out because not long ago you and many other were threaten with you employment (sign or be fired). We have RP’s forced upon us and now a new COS forced upon us. I just can’t seem to understand.
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Old 20th Nov 2007, 05:00
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So let me get this right. You have a problem with a guy who has been asked to work two “O” days, followed by one “G” day and a work day and in return he has now got six consecutive days off plus GDO call out pay. With the exception of the GDO call out pay and the fact that there is no SO scheduled yet to operate on the 22nd, this could very easily have been a mutual exchange of duty. You know that thing that some of us do all the time with varying degrees of success to try and improve our life style. Please don’t tell me that if this fell into your lap you wouldn’t take a little bit of beer money for no extra work and six consecutive days off. Now, how about you give the guy a break. He hasn’t done anything wrong.
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404 Titan: good to hear some sane rationale. Thanks for that
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Old 20th Nov 2007, 06:13
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6 days off in a row for a 3% pay rise, and an unnegotiated COS rammed down my throat!

GOOD TRADE!!!

Post all the names!!
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