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Pragmatic? Just another way of admitting you're a 'yes' man. Sorry Buzzy, doesn't wash. Pragmatism is the Cathay preferred replacement for a spine! Remember you can't hold your head high without one!
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HOTDOG, I have to ask (even thought I think I know the answer) do you still work for CX?
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Hot dog please stop. You're posts are really just indicating how out of touch you really are. What do you really care anyway. You've seen the best this company had to offer, rolled over and took it when times got tough and left the young blokes to pick up the pieces. Please dont tell me you actually care! I find it rather insulting that you sit somewhere and indulge your hobby of "keeping abreast of your old companies fortunes". Let me let you on on a little secret, there ain't no fortunes being made anymore. Malcontent you say. I think you could say ropable would describe my feelings better. I'm sorry to have to be the bearer of this bad news but your beloved old company, doesn't give a toss about loyalty, doesn't give a toss about morale, doesn't give a toss about conditions. Please tell you stories down at the yacht club mate.
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Sorry Hotdog, if I had bothered to look at your profile I would have seen that you are adequately qualified to comment about a job you never did, on a package you weren't on, for a company you no longer work for.
Keep up the good work.
"Well sonny, back on the convair we used to...."
Keep up the good work.
"Well sonny, back on the convair we used to...."
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You mean that same 'check' mentality the likes of Hot dog have devoted their careers to maintaining.........................................
Out with the old (farts) in with the new (blood)
What these old farts don't understand is that most guys have a limit to the amount of absolute sh1t one can put up with in a job. It gets to the stage where it is just not fun. Cathay is just no fun. Not worth the ever decreasing salary, and the appalling housing conditions, and breathing in putrid air. Hot dog and his "hobbies" are part of the reason why I'm leaving this sinking ship.
Out with the old (farts) in with the new (blood)
What these old farts don't understand is that most guys have a limit to the amount of absolute sh1t one can put up with in a job. It gets to the stage where it is just not fun. Cathay is just no fun. Not worth the ever decreasing salary, and the appalling housing conditions, and breathing in putrid air. Hot dog and his "hobbies" are part of the reason why I'm leaving this sinking ship.
Hmm, apparently the 'young guns' are the only ones that have had to put up with 'absolute sh1t' at some stage during their careers. I guess that's what being part of the 'me, now' generation is all about.
Hostile, you've been talking about leaving this so-called 'sinking ship' for quite some time now. How come you haven't gone yet? Please let us know how much longer we have to endure your venomous spite.
Hostile, you've been talking about leaving this so-called 'sinking ship' for quite some time now. How come you haven't gone yet? Please let us know how much longer we have to endure your venomous spite.
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Get a Grip
exflyboy....I think that is just the problem..some of the posters on this thread have a grip...not on their life but just one particular appendage thereof.
400 Jockey is on the money, there is a lot of hate out there. The problem is that it is directed inward rather than in a constructive manner that might elicit some much needed changes.
hostile, I don't know what to say, other than you will destroy yourself and your family if you take this hatred from the virtual world into the real world. Without knowing what specifically has happened to you, I prefer not to profer advice but rather my sympathy.You should leave as soon as possible, for your own sake. Those you leave behind, can, I am sure, make up their own minds without being bombarded with bucket after bucket of pure bile.
As to lashing out at retired ginger beers, that would have to be the lowest blow I have seen yet. You are now blaming Hot Dog for your lot in life, when in fact, these are the type of guys that helped ensure the survival of the company that was still around to give you a job, albeit one you do not seem to want.
There are no easy solutions to the walls of division that have been erected and turn us all upon each other. Fighting to unify the various scales would, however, be a good start. Whingeing will get no traction in any organisation.
400 Jockey is on the money, there is a lot of hate out there. The problem is that it is directed inward rather than in a constructive manner that might elicit some much needed changes.
hostile, I don't know what to say, other than you will destroy yourself and your family if you take this hatred from the virtual world into the real world. Without knowing what specifically has happened to you, I prefer not to profer advice but rather my sympathy.You should leave as soon as possible, for your own sake. Those you leave behind, can, I am sure, make up their own minds without being bombarded with bucket after bucket of pure bile.
As to lashing out at retired ginger beers, that would have to be the lowest blow I have seen yet. You are now blaming Hot Dog for your lot in life, when in fact, these are the type of guys that helped ensure the survival of the company that was still around to give you a job, albeit one you do not seem to want.
There are no easy solutions to the walls of division that have been erected and turn us all upon each other. Fighting to unify the various scales would, however, be a good start. Whingeing will get no traction in any organisation.
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Hostile, please do us all a favour and move on. Having lost my job due to ill health you really don't know how lucky you are! My family have been to hell and beyond and you whinge about having a job that pays very well, is very stable and if you stuck it out would see you in the Left seat in a few years. I don't understand you. I admit there are things that Cathay could do better, a lot better, but just leave knowing there are people a lot worse off than you. You have your health and your marriage intact(I presume). Take this opportunity. Don't squander it. You sound as though you're at breaking point with this. You have made a decision now act on that decision. I wish you all the best and only hope you find your spot on this globe. 
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Hostile,
I don't know if you are aware but when leaving CX you have to give 3 months notice or PAYMENT IN LIEU. Since you registered on PPRUNE in April I assume that is when you gave notice so only a month or so to go. I am sure many of us here on PPRUNE are willing to chip in towards your PAYMENT IN LIEU for the last month or so if it will expedite your departure from PPRUNE!
I don't know if you are aware but when leaving CX you have to give 3 months notice or PAYMENT IN LIEU. Since you registered on PPRUNE in April I assume that is when you gave notice so only a month or so to go. I am sure many of us here on PPRUNE are willing to chip in towards your PAYMENT IN LIEU for the last month or so if it will expedite your departure from PPRUNE!
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NC,
If that is the same as paying towards the 49ers, I don’t think most will open up their pockets. I think you will have to wait a month at least.
Unless you are willing to fork it up yourself?
I think this is very entertaining to say the least. Deep down inside side, you will all miss him.
If that is the same as paying towards the 49ers, I don’t think most will open up their pockets. I think you will have to wait a month at least.
Unless you are willing to fork it up yourself?
I think this is very entertaining to say the least. Deep down inside side, you will all miss him.
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After hearing so much about 'pprune' I finally decided to take a look.
I find the 'A scaler v B scaler' stuff absolutely comical - you're like a bunch of kids in the playground.
I left CX shortly after the 49er debacle and am much happier for it.
It all became too much for me after having to listen to all the whingeing spineless young pups with their experience inversley proportional to their egos. Face the facts you bunch of pussies before the green monster destroys you. THere are always people that are richer, poorer, taller, shorter, fatter, thinner,..etc. Get a life. In the end the brown nosers such as buzzbox will win over. You can't beat them so join them. I hear pizza hut are recruiting..
I find the 'A scaler v B scaler' stuff absolutely comical - you're like a bunch of kids in the playground.
I left CX shortly after the 49er debacle and am much happier for it.
It all became too much for me after having to listen to all the whingeing spineless young pups with their experience inversley proportional to their egos. Face the facts you bunch of pussies before the green monster destroys you. THere are always people that are richer, poorer, taller, shorter, fatter, thinner,..etc. Get a life. In the end the brown nosers such as buzzbox will win over. You can't beat them so join them. I hear pizza hut are recruiting..
So, I enjoy my job (most of the time) and am happy to admit it, therefore I must be a brown noser. Oh well, so be it. At least I don't spend my life being a miserable sh!t like some people on this forum.
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Freight dog, very descriptive calling hostile the board nazi.
Your “accusations are unfounded, what you talk about never happened, I’m alright Jack coz I manage to ride the system” attitude is the intrinsic problem and a lot closer to those denialists anno 1945 that you care to quote on this forum.
Your “accusations are unfounded, what you talk about never happened, I’m alright Jack coz I manage to ride the system” attitude is the intrinsic problem and a lot closer to those denialists anno 1945 that you care to quote on this forum.
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Lefty, I was making a general statement, not referring to you in particular, but if the hat fits...
PS. Like you, I am more than a little fed up at putting up with the 'whingeing spineless young pups with their experience inversley proportional to their egos.' I wish the hell they'd all move on.
PS. Like you, I am more than a little fed up at putting up with the 'whingeing spineless young pups with their experience inversley proportional to their egos.' I wish the hell they'd all move on.
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Cx Training System
And while I am on a roll (yes, a whole 3 posts now!!)...
The CX training system is a shocker and in my opinion almost verging on destructive. In particular command training. I know it has been done to death. However I want to make the following points....
CX seem to have more hoops to jump through than any other major airline I know. In particular hoops of the political variety. After your final check, your file STILL has to go to the 'committee'. Why bother giving a guy a 'check' qualification if he can't actually 'check' a guy out and give him the nod?
The training management may have improved recently, however there are still signs of a significant number of trainees being binned (still for a few bizzare reasons). Nobody in the Flight Ops Department has got the balls to say 'enough is enough' and get a serious attitude readjustment program started up. It's not about lowering standards - it's about being fair and reasonable in your expectations. The acid test remains - would you trust this guy with your own family on board?
And before you give me this 'their train set' bull****, it has nothing to do with that. The command failures are costing the company millions of dollars. A few powerful and well connected individuals are costing the company these millions of dollars. The Command failure rate is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than any major airline I know. The command failure rate is SIGNIFICANTLY higher on the Airbus (there are reasons why the failure rate may be different, but not THAT different). These so called professional managers simply refuse to look within their own organisation and I have a suspicion they are afraid of radical change as that may imply they have in fact failed themselves.
NR needs to kick butt and haul his managers into line. Why he hasn't done this already makes me wonder where he's coming from.
The CX training system is a shocker and in my opinion almost verging on destructive. In particular command training. I know it has been done to death. However I want to make the following points....
CX seem to have more hoops to jump through than any other major airline I know. In particular hoops of the political variety. After your final check, your file STILL has to go to the 'committee'. Why bother giving a guy a 'check' qualification if he can't actually 'check' a guy out and give him the nod?
The training management may have improved recently, however there are still signs of a significant number of trainees being binned (still for a few bizzare reasons). Nobody in the Flight Ops Department has got the balls to say 'enough is enough' and get a serious attitude readjustment program started up. It's not about lowering standards - it's about being fair and reasonable in your expectations. The acid test remains - would you trust this guy with your own family on board?
And before you give me this 'their train set' bull****, it has nothing to do with that. The command failures are costing the company millions of dollars. A few powerful and well connected individuals are costing the company these millions of dollars. The Command failure rate is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than any major airline I know. The command failure rate is SIGNIFICANTLY higher on the Airbus (there are reasons why the failure rate may be different, but not THAT different). These so called professional managers simply refuse to look within their own organisation and I have a suspicion they are afraid of radical change as that may imply they have in fact failed themselves.
NR needs to kick butt and haul his managers into line. Why he hasn't done this already makes me wonder where he's coming from.
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In established airlines such as CX / KA the only thing a high failure rate indicates is that their respective training departments are a JOKE.
If an airline training department can not manage to get most of their pilots (the majority of whom have been with the airline for more than 8-10 years) through the command upgrade course they have failed.
Aviation has never been an industry that promoted on ability or suitability and as a result it is quite obvious these airlines have ended up with people at key training positions that do not have a clue.
It is this sort of stubbornness and stupidity that costs airlines millions not carrying an extra 15 minutes gas.
If an airline training department can not manage to get most of their pilots (the majority of whom have been with the airline for more than 8-10 years) through the command upgrade course they have failed.
Aviation has never been an industry that promoted on ability or suitability and as a result it is quite obvious these airlines have ended up with people at key training positions that do not have a clue.
It is this sort of stubbornness and stupidity that costs airlines millions not carrying an extra 15 minutes gas.