Leaving CX.
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Thankyou easy,
thanks for the PM as well. Can very much sympathise. I guess we are lucky in that we are not leaving it too late. I just think the whole HK,DB,CX thing is poisonous. If you fit in and actually enjoy living in DB then you are most definitely very very sad. Hope it all works out for you.
thanks for the PM as well. Can very much sympathise. I guess we are lucky in that we are not leaving it too late. I just think the whole HK,DB,CX thing is poisonous. If you fit in and actually enjoy living in DB then you are most definitely very very sad. Hope it all works out for you.
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Gidday hostile23,
Dumb thing to say man.
I respect your choice, wish you the best, but expect the same in return.
Leave the throw away lines out, unless all this is really about is you wanting to wind people up.
I hope not.
Luck.
If you fit in and actually enjoy living in DB then you are most definitely very very sad
I respect your choice, wish you the best, but expect the same in return.
Leave the throw away lines out, unless all this is really about is you wanting to wind people up.
I hope not.
Luck.
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Say it Ain't so.....
H23, Thanks for this more than informative post. A move like this surely takes a certain amount of courage and I commend you for it!
As a Cx hopeful this really helps me make a more informed decision about leaving the current (regional) airline I'm at. However I was wondering (in a devils advocate sort of way) if you would care to shed some items that specifically irked you to this extent. You imply an impossible mngt. Would you be able to give us a few examples? Now, I've flown with my fair share of captains that are a little trying, but never to the extent that would make me quit. I understand the nature of a forum prevents too many specifics, but could you give a few examples of what you see happening commonly at CX. (that happend often to you) that finally made you come to this decision?
Thank you. Also, I wish you the very best for you next job!!!
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As a Cx hopeful this really helps me make a more informed decision about leaving the current (regional) airline I'm at. However I was wondering (in a devils advocate sort of way) if you would care to shed some items that specifically irked you to this extent. You imply an impossible mngt. Would you be able to give us a few examples? Now, I've flown with my fair share of captains that are a little trying, but never to the extent that would make me quit. I understand the nature of a forum prevents too many specifics, but could you give a few examples of what you see happening commonly at CX. (that happend often to you) that finally made you come to this decision?
Thank you. Also, I wish you the very best for you next job!!!
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Redliner,
Without doing a search, I believe H23 was with CX for 6 years which means he joined during a period when housing was relatively low in price. Probably bought a place and made a fortune.
Therefore, what you have to realise is that the "money bucket" got filled first with H23 and he now has the option to go elsewhere! You fill that money bucket up and that other bucket gets pretty small and soon it's full too!
He's fed up and that's fine, I'm getting close to that point too! It doesn't mean the job is unbearable just not perfect. But then, which job is?
Without doing a search, I believe H23 was with CX for 6 years which means he joined during a period when housing was relatively low in price. Probably bought a place and made a fortune.
Therefore, what you have to realise is that the "money bucket" got filled first with H23 and he now has the option to go elsewhere! You fill that money bucket up and that other bucket gets pretty small and soon it's full too!
He's fed up and that's fine, I'm getting close to that point too! It doesn't mean the job is unbearable just not perfect. But then, which job is?
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I often read about a pilot being assigned a "CAT B" after a training event. What does this mean exactly? Is this something that is specific to Cathay or is it applied to other carriers in the East?
I also read comments regarding the Star Chamber system. Again, what is this? and what does it involve?
I also read comments regarding the Star Chamber system. Again, what is this? and what does it involve?
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At first thought, "are you serious, leaving CX for EasyJet" but after listening to your argument, it sounds like CX isn't the company for you and perhaps it isn't for most of the respondants. It's sad that it is not realised earlier as the money side of things blinded you guys (as what was understood from previous replies) from what it is CX is really like and what is living in HK really like.
But all the best to your decision as I'm sure you made the right one... family is key to happiness!
But all the best to your decision as I'm sure you made the right one... family is key to happiness!
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PD,
CX is a ruthless commercial business and thats how it stands!! Swire are not there for a ride in the park. Make your own assumptions by the other posts. Regarding HK, i left two months ago and just starting to breath properly again. I went back last week for personal reasons and within two hours was suffering from the smog etc...
I think not a good place to bring up kids if you want health to be priority. The schooling and location great but pollution and health wise is a big risk.
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CX is a ruthless commercial business and thats how it stands!! Swire are not there for a ride in the park. Make your own assumptions by the other posts. Regarding HK, i left two months ago and just starting to breath properly again. I went back last week for personal reasons and within two hours was suffering from the smog etc...
I think not a good place to bring up kids if you want health to be priority. The schooling and location great but pollution and health wise is a big risk.
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h23, good to see your thread has clocked up nearly 15,000 views - well done! Hmmm... struck a nerve or two with the indoctrinated (read: brianwashed). A mention of family = happiness in a previous thread. Yep, and also career satisfaction and a certain amount of identity that goes with that. Good on you, once again. For every individual bagging you out, there are at least two supporting you and some of the others are deluding themselves. All the best to you.
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Hostie claims that he's got a job at easy without a simride which I find very very hard to believe.6 years ago maybe,but that was when the airline had 20ish aircraft.Today its a whole new affair.
Just say that you miss home(I presume that you are from the UK) and there is no need to slate the hand that feeds you right now.CX did not ask you to work for them 6 years ago,you approached them.6 years ago easy would not have been a nice place to be but 6 years later its a different story.Only because we have new man that has a vision unlike his predecessor who literaly drove easy into the ground .
Evolution eventually cathes up everywhere.Or in economics its called the invisable hand.
A wise man once said don't burn bridges behind you. Try seeing what we actually do at easy.5 on 4 off 5 on 3off.On those 5 on we do 12,13 hour days.Yes stable roster,but do you think pilots have stopped moaning ?No.''Oh I have airport stanby'' or whatever.Get it?If you are a whinger you will not be happy anywhere.
Good luck.
Just say that you miss home(I presume that you are from the UK) and there is no need to slate the hand that feeds you right now.CX did not ask you to work for them 6 years ago,you approached them.6 years ago easy would not have been a nice place to be but 6 years later its a different story.Only because we have new man that has a vision unlike his predecessor who literaly drove easy into the ground .
Evolution eventually cathes up everywhere.Or in economics its called the invisable hand.
A wise man once said don't burn bridges behind you. Try seeing what we actually do at easy.5 on 4 off 5 on 3off.On those 5 on we do 12,13 hour days.Yes stable roster,but do you think pilots have stopped moaning ?No.''Oh I have airport stanby'' or whatever.Get it?If you are a whinger you will not be happy anywhere.
Good luck.
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Some people are supporting H23 because they too want to leave CX but for some reason won't- they gander no respect, put up or shut-up.
Some people voice support for H23 and anyone else who is leaving because they rationalize that the more people who leave, the better the negotiating position of those that stay- they are Machiavellian in their concern.
Some people voice support because they are simply well adjusted people who respect the decisions of others and do not judge based on prejudices.
Most people wonder why anyone would bother to start a thread to tell the world they are leaving their employer unless the author needed positive reinforecement due to his own social insecurities.
People leave, people join, thank goodness they all don't want thier own thread.
Can we move on now? Please.
Some people voice support for H23 and anyone else who is leaving because they rationalize that the more people who leave, the better the negotiating position of those that stay- they are Machiavellian in their concern.
Some people voice support because they are simply well adjusted people who respect the decisions of others and do not judge based on prejudices.
Most people wonder why anyone would bother to start a thread to tell the world they are leaving their employer unless the author needed positive reinforecement due to his own social insecurities.
People leave, people join, thank goodness they all don't want thier own thread.
Can we move on now? Please.
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play nice !
Mr or Mrs MOTDribler :
No matter where you look (gander) around here you will find a lot of unhappy people. Not all want to leave. I am sure though, that we all (you included) would like to see things improve. So, to ignore those that can't leave but are unhappy or worse to slam them as somehow weak, is ridiculous. Just because you are happy (or so you hint) for now, does not mean that you won't have issues later. I myself am quite happy, but I empathize with those that are not.
So what is wrong with working with what we have to try and improve our overall job satisfaction level ? Or are you not prepared to put up and help work to resolve issues with the company ?
Working to improve things does not have to be adversarial. We can improve things but we need more commitment from all pilots here. It is no longer a climate where membership in our association will get you in career trouble. There is no excuse not to join. Having increased membership can only help. It will also help the company as well. If all where in, there would be no question as to how the whole pilot body thought. If you have issues with the way things were handled in the past the only way forward is to work with what we got to improve it.
So no, we should not move on until we improve things. You can stop logging on if it bothers you that much.
Cheers
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No matter where you look (gander) around here you will find a lot of unhappy people. Not all want to leave. I am sure though, that we all (you included) would like to see things improve. So, to ignore those that can't leave but are unhappy or worse to slam them as somehow weak, is ridiculous. Just because you are happy (or so you hint) for now, does not mean that you won't have issues later. I myself am quite happy, but I empathize with those that are not.
So what is wrong with working with what we have to try and improve our overall job satisfaction level ? Or are you not prepared to put up and help work to resolve issues with the company ?
Working to improve things does not have to be adversarial. We can improve things but we need more commitment from all pilots here. It is no longer a climate where membership in our association will get you in career trouble. There is no excuse not to join. Having increased membership can only help. It will also help the company as well. If all where in, there would be no question as to how the whole pilot body thought. If you have issues with the way things were handled in the past the only way forward is to work with what we got to improve it.
So no, we should not move on until we improve things. You can stop logging on if it bothers you that much.
Cheers
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Five Green
you missed the point of my post entirely.
I am a member of the AOA and as comitted to improving our conditions as anyone can be. I am unhappy with some things, happy with others. Bring on the threads that debate these themes in a realistic and reasoned manner. I simply do not believe that this thread was started with that view as a premise.
Empathy is indeed a commendable attribute.
CMOT
you missed the point of my post entirely.
I am a member of the AOA and as comitted to improving our conditions as anyone can be. I am unhappy with some things, happy with others. Bring on the threads that debate these themes in a realistic and reasoned manner. I simply do not believe that this thread was started with that view as a premise.
Empathy is indeed a commendable attribute.
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It s quite funny cause i read many times things like "how can you go from CX to a LCC" ecc..
I d like to bring to your attention one little aspect that maybe people tend to not consider very much..if you think of aviation in 5-10 years time, how do you think it will be?
LCC are expanding EVERYDAY, and its not unrealistic to actually say every single day!in order to keep this regime of expansion they are introducing everything the possibly can (gradually obviously) to make people stay, because they need them! This is just to say that it can only get better with rostering, pay, lifestyle and so on.
My point is that it makes me smile to see people still defending the old style airline kind of thing, because this concept is goin to die soon (if it's not dead already!).
good choice and good luck with ur life.
p.s. just make sure u choose a nice base !
I d like to bring to your attention one little aspect that maybe people tend to not consider very much..if you think of aviation in 5-10 years time, how do you think it will be?
LCC are expanding EVERYDAY, and its not unrealistic to actually say every single day!in order to keep this regime of expansion they are introducing everything the possibly can (gradually obviously) to make people stay, because they need them! This is just to say that it can only get better with rostering, pay, lifestyle and so on.
My point is that it makes me smile to see people still defending the old style airline kind of thing, because this concept is goin to die soon (if it's not dead already!).
good choice and good luck with ur life.
p.s. just make sure u choose a nice base !
